A very interesting read - thanks Curry :) I guess I was very much focused on the specific clauses on downloading executable code - which is no longer just an Apple thing - Google's is now very similar (i.e. Stricter than it used to be) and I suspect the other app stores on android will follow suit.
I do think those clauses are about security (otherwise they seem to much of a blunt instrument) and from that point of view they can be considered reasonable (especially when the scale of the ecosystems is considered) - if incredibly irksome for us! Of course other aspects of Apple's policies (and the fact it is their AppStore or nothing) are a different matter entirely - as you eloquently point out. Warmest Regards, Mark. Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Aug 2017, at 21:43, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > Mark: > > > I think Johnathan made the best point here - if you want into the > > iOS world and the AppStore Apple provide you have to abide by their > > rules. However, if you don't care about the AppStore, then just > > jailbreak your phone and run free - no-one is stopping you. > > > It is entirely your choice :) > > No, it's not merely a personal matter by any stretch of the imagination. This > is a social and tech reality that affects all of us, our technological > environment. You are framing this as primarily a security matter to save the > masses, with a handy personal jail break or xCode opt-out that solves the > matter for any individual who feels differently. (No thanks on JB, nor do I > generally recommend that to others. Nor is my interest mainly personal, but > rather as a consultant and developer. I doubt most true end users feel comfy > with xCode, assuming they even have a Mac.) Sorry, I tend to be a frame > breaker! It's missing out on the bigger picture of Apple's system, and > similarly the impact of tech trends, not only from Apple but other major > players. > > Much more complex, and it affects us far beyond our own choices. While > someone here is waxing poetic about the security benefits, at one time or > another someone has likely iPhoned that person's own data around insecurely > in ways that would alarm you! Perhaps it has happened to you too without your > knowledge. I've seen it too many times, very widespread. Often by people > working for a reputable company or providing a vital professional service, > but clueless or careless. Neither is the data completely secure even with > companies that are more careful - the masses don't realize that. At the same > time people are desensitized to sharing more data than ever. That makes them > - and through them, sometimes you - very vulnerable. > > Security goes way beyond malware. Security is an integral part of Apple's > system, but it's not a system primarily for the sake of security. Fairly easy > to have safe apps outside of a particular app store. One way would be setting > up other download repositories that are checked. Another is using networked > antivirus systems, which are already popular and advanced. > > Going beyond security - breaking that frame again - it's much bigger. > Richmond already had some good points, so maybe I don't need to add any, but > for example: Actual publishing standards and choices are not all about > security, quality, decency, and good style as advertised. Marketing versus > reality. What viewpoints, topics, or potentially beneficial technologies > might be suppressed? That would not be a big deal when there are multiple > venues, but when there is one.... > > The whole society is also affected by tech trends, and the circle goes > around, consumer behavior and choices, how professionals use and sometimes > misuse the tech (I'm seeing that too, it can be within the law but extremely > harmful for consumers), data expectations and proliferation, > over-availability or under-availability of information, control, ideology, > intrusive or invasive trends, healthy awareness and ability versus dangerous > dumbing down and complacency, more comprehensive security versus a sense of > security or partial security, the effects of dependency on a single venue and > its viewpoint and its quirks - in the end, everyone is touched. > > Perceiving how technology trends impact society, and in turn come back to > impact each of us, is very valuable and all too easy to overlook as we rush > to keep up with those trends and create new ones. Definitely worth a look for > those who don't want to avoid one type of risk only to fall into another! > Stay safe. Hope everyone is doing well -- I haven't been able to pop up much > here in the list lately. > > Best wishes, > > Curry Kenworthy > > Custom Software Development > http://curryk.com/consulting/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
