Does anyone have a reference for this? There's nothing on google search Bruce
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: > > Send use-livecode mailing list submissions to > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > use-livecode-requ...@lists.runrev.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > use-livecode-ow...@lists.runrev.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of use-livecode digest..." > > > you can find the archives for this list at: > > http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/ > > and search them using this link: > > http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows (Mark Talluto) > 2. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > (Monte Goulding) > 3. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > (Mark Talluto) > 4. HD Windows Video Formats (Jeff Reynolds) > 5. Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > (Mike Bonner) > 6. Re: Levure?? (Mike Kerner) > 7. Widgets as Buttons (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami) > 8. RIP Dan Shafer (Jerry Jensen) > 9. Re: RIP Dan Shafer (J. Landman Gay) > 10. Re: Widgets as Buttons (J. Landman Gay) > 11. Re: RIP Dan Shafer (Mark Wieder) > 12. Re: Widgets as Buttons (Richmond Mathewson) > 13. Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows (Mark Waddingham) > 14. AW: HD Windows Video Formats (Tiemo Hollmann TB) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:21:41 -0700 > From: Mark Talluto <m...@canelasoftware.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows > Message-ID: <9dbb2697-66ed-4041-a5b1-599b4c396...@canelasoftware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> On Jun 21, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Since 8, standalones have loaded their externals on startup - so no script >> runs before the standalone expects them to be where they should. One way to >> resolve this is to send a message *before* the externals are bound, allowing >> the 'spit out' solution to work again by intercepting standaloneSaving / >> Saved and handling an appropriate message on startup. > > I am just working on this problem today. I need to be able to spit out the > needed externals before the engine tries to use them. Otherwise I am getting > an 'Initialization Error' dialog stating 'failed to load external'. > > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/> > nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/> > canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:40:56 +1000 > From: Monte Goulding <mo...@appisle.net> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > Message-ID: <9f1fb35d-c8f3-4de9-b0de-82ec4ef65...@appisle.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 3:20 am, Mike Bonner via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Perhaps a different direction here? I think it would be helpful to me as a >> perpetual newbie to have the option to insert common scripts on demand. >> Maybe a context sensitive dropdown with a mouseup framework for buttons, >> for fields, textchanged, keyup, keydown. Maybe backed by a personal >> snippet library so that once one creates their perfect script for entering >> only floating numbers.. or whatever, make the handlers snippable so that >> they can be added to a local repository for that object type. > > Hi Guys > > I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be used > for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to complete and > integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will be able to get > to it before 9 goes to RC. > > Cheers > > Monte > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:48:56 -0700 > From: Mark Talluto <m...@canelasoftware.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > Message-ID: <daf1eca2-6c7d-4cef-a7d1-4227696eb...@canelasoftware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode >> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Guys >> >> I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be >> used for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to complete >> and integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will be able to >> get to it before 9 goes to RC. >> >> Cheers >> >> Monte > > That is super exciting Monte. > > Best regards, > > Mark Talluto > livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/> > nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/> > canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 21:47:28 -0400 > From: Jeff Reynolds <j...@siphonophore.com> > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Subject: HD Windows Video Formats > Message-ID: <f3a60360-95ed-4d72-af90-94dede01d...@siphonophore.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > Just curious what video wrappers and codecs folks are using for HD (1080) for > windows 10 playback (surface) with the directshow drivers native now in > livecode. > > its an odd set listed in the directshow format page > > https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx > > <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).aspx> > > wmv looks to work but has a 10mps max which has some issues with underwater > shots with lots of solids. the h264 compression option looks to be wrapping > in an mpeg2 and not quite sure of a path to get there. Does anyone do h264 > that playback decoders installed under generic win10 install and a path to > how you made the files? > > thanks > > jeff reynolds > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:59:37 -0600 > From: Mike Bonner <bonnm...@gmail.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Preference for Keeping Saved Empty Button Scripts Empty > Message-ID: > <CAG1cpSrAkzJvdWFL2bOCFPU=BTmNQqAszBsd=ZgjRUx=oli...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Cool! thanks Monte! > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:40 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Guys >>> >>> I have done _some_ work on an autocomplete framework which could also be >> used for a snippet library. It is something we have on the radar to >> complete and integrate into the script editor but I?m not sure if we will >> be able to get to it before 9 goes to RC. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Monte >> >> That is super exciting Monte. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Talluto >> livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/> >> nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/> >> canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:17:38 -0400 > From: Mike Kerner <mikeker...@roadrunner.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Levure?? > Message-ID: > <cadcoycors8jyile+zxxi7yc4mlq-hxwmjmdrtzj4mn_3jsr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Here's the wiki > https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki > Here's Trevor's youtube channel, where you can see some levure videos > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCluXVDvheCjGSJmCMssc0fw > > > > On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:54 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Roger! :):) >> Bill P >>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Roger Eller via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/use-livecode@lists.runrev.com/msg82202.html >>> >>> ~Roger >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Could somebody post a link to info about Levure? i must have missed it >>>> when it was first discussed. I have no idea what Levure?s purpose is, >> where >>>> to get it, or ?. However, it sounds (from the discussions) like it >> might >>>> be useful. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Bill P >>>> >>>> William A. Prothero >>>> http://earthlearningsolution.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 02:51:30 +0000 > From: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <bra...@hindu.org> > To: How LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Widgets as Buttons > Message-ID: <d5a1afcd-926e-4fca-90ff-1af0841f3...@hindu.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles. > > On mobile they seem very unresponsive. > > Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined svg area. > > We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as buttons. > So, are we back to making small groups with a background graphic fill white > with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on top etc.? > > In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup thin arrows > and they work so well, without your finger having to hit some exact target > zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may only be 20 X 20 the > responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon in the middle so even "big > thumbs" have no trouble. > > Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing? > > One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to set an > object prop like: > > fullRectResponsive = true > > then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect. > > or something like that. > > BR > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 20:31:23 -0700 > From: Jerry Jensen <je...@jhjensen.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: RIP Dan Shafer > Message-ID: <0678e0e3-b569-4e53-9080-9d164ebbd...@jhjensen.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody who > met him will miss him. > .Jerry > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:07:10 -0500 > From: "J. Landman Gay" <jac...@hyperactivesw.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: RIP Dan Shafer > Message-ID: > <15cce691848.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f0...@hyperactivesw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh dear. Sadness. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > On June 21, 2017 10:33:23 PM Jerry Jensen via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody >> who met him will miss him. >> .Jerry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:18:52 -0500 > From: "J. Landman Gay" <jac...@hyperactivesw.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Widgets as Buttons > Message-ID: > <15cce7410e0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f0...@hyperactivesw.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" > > It may just be a mobile problem (or maybe just Android) because on desktop > an SVG widget responds when you click in a transparent area. > > But to get a larger hit area you still have to make a group, because SVG > widgets don't have margins and they always grow to fill their rectangle. It > would be nice to be able to define a wide margin. > > But if we ever get the ability to use them as button icons, that would be > an even better solution. > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > On June 21, 2017 9:53:32 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles. >> >> On mobile they seem very unresponsive. >> >> Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined svg area. >> >> We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as buttons. >> So, are we back to making small groups with a background graphic fill white >> with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on top etc.? >> >> In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup thin >> arrows and they work so well, without your finger having to hit some exact >> target zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may only be 20 X 20 >> the responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon in the middle so even >> "big thumbs" have no trouble. >> >> Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing? >> >> One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to set an >> object prop like: >> >> fullRectResponsive = true >> >> then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect. >> >> or something like that. >> >> BR >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 23:27:06 -0700 > From: Mark Wieder <ahsoftw...@sonic.net> > To: Jerry Jensen via use-livecode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: RIP Dan Shafer > Message-ID: <eb2ef49c-0f7d-4264-343d-a58e21aa4...@sonic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> On 06/21/2017 08:31 PM, Jerry Jensen via use-livecode wrote: >> We lost Dan Shafer yesterday. He did a lot for LiveCode. I?m sure anybody >> who met him will miss him. >> .Jerry > > Oh hell. Just got home and found this. > > Dan and Chipp were responsible for getting the user conferences going. > Dan was outspoken and a gadfly - I never knew him to pull his punches, > and was a vehement promoter of xtalk. I still have a working draft 7 > copy of the HyperCard Script Language Guide that Dan did for Apple back > in 1987 sitting by my desk. We kept talking about getting together to > catch a Giants game but never quite got around to it. > > -- > Mark Wieder > ahsoftw...@gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:13:55 +0300 > From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Widgets as Buttons > Message-ID: <6a4342b8-d6e6-a788-bee0-18283d945...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > At the risk of looking goofy, why not create an SVG image with a solid > border: > > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i487s2g27q8hbve/AABn_OVtPJc79uAeGlapQ-Yta?dl=0 > > Richmond. > >> On 6/22/17 9:18 am, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> It may just be a mobile problem (or maybe just Android) because on >> desktop an SVG widget responds when you click in a transparent area. >> >> But to get a larger hit area you still have to make a group, because >> SVG widgets don't have margins and they always grow to fill their >> rectangle. It would be nice to be able to define a wide margin. >> >> But if we ever get the ability to use them as button icons, that would >> be an even better solution. >> -- >> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com >> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com >> >> >> >> On June 21, 2017 9:53:32 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via >> use-livecode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >>> Re: using widgets for buttons like disclosure triangles. >>> >>> On mobile they seem very unresponsive. >>> >>> Jacque says you have to actually tap the pixels inside the defined >>> svg area. >>> >>> We had this discussion before relative to using small graphics as >>> buttons. So, are we back to making small groups with a background >>> graphic fill white with blendlevel set to 1 or tranparent button on >>> top etc.? >>> >>> In Spotify, they have super small, tiny disclosure, reveal, popup >>> thin arrows and they work so well, without your finger having to hit >>> some exact target zone? It's almost as if for a small icon that may >>> only be 20 X 20 the responsive zone is more like 50X50 with the icon >>> in the middle so even "big thumbs" have no trouble. >>> >>> Any thoughts on best approach? What are you doing? >>> >>> One wonders if we need an enhancement request (if even possible) to >>> set an object prop like: >>> >>> fullRectResponsive = true >>> >>> then mousedown/up works whereever you touch inside rect. >>> >>> or something like that. >>> >>> BR >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:38:35 +0200 > From: Mark Waddingham <m...@livecode.com> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: Re: Exploring A Single File Deploy on Windows > Message-ID: <eea910d24de0461cefdd839c2f7bd...@livecode.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >> On 2017-06-21 22:47, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: >> Could you expand on this a little bit? StandaloneSaving/Saved are only >> sent during a build, so I'm not sure how I'd use those to intercept a >> startup message. > > Yes but they could be used at standalone building time (probably will > require a little bit of reordering of processes slightly) so stacks > could embed their resources in a stackfile. > >> Also, when do the externals actually load? If they load at startup >> before any messages are sent, then won't the externals already be done >> with before the stack receives the startup message? > > At present they are bound before the startup message - which is the > problem as there is no opportunity for script to run. > > Currently, you can do the suck up and spit out method - you just mustn't > mark the externals as 'included' in the s/b... And then add code to > standaloneSaving / standaloneSaved: > > standaloneSaving (to augment your stackfile with what is needed) > create a substack of your mainstack file which contains the externals > you want in custom props > a library stack handler in the substack which spits out and sets the > externals property of itself > > standaloneSaved (to reset your stackfile to what it was before) > delete the substack > > Then in the startup handler of your standalone mainstack, 'start using' > the substack if it is present. That should then load the externals which > you've spat out to disk in an appropriate place. > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > -- > Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > LiveCode: Everyone can create apps > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:54:21 +0200 > From: "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolb...@kestner.de> > To: "'How to use LiveCode'" <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Subject: AW: HD Windows Video Formats > Message-ID: <001601d2eb3d$86d62800$94827800$@kestner.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Jeff, > > I am working with H.264 mp4 videos for both Windows (directShow) and Mac > (AVFoundation), compressed with Sorensons squeeze. The drawback is, that > Windows 10 doesn't comes with a H.264 codec by default, so my users have to > install the codec. I made good experiences with the LAV-Filter codec pack. > > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Jeff Reynolds via use-livecode > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 03:47 > An: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Cc: Jeff Reynolds <j...@siphonophore.com> > Betreff: HD Windows Video Formats > > Hi, > > Just curious what video wrappers and codecs folks are using for HD (1080) > for windows 10 playback (surface) with the directshow drivers native now in > livecode. > > its an odd set listed in the directshow format page > > https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85).a > spx > <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd407173(v=vs.85). > aspx> > > wmv looks to work but has a 10mps max which has some issues with underwater > shots with lots of solids. the h264 compression option looks to be wrapping > in an mpeg2 and not quite sure of a path to get there. Does anyone do h264 > that playback decoders installed under generic win10 install and a path to > how you made the files? > > thanks > > jeff reynolds > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > ------------------------------ > > End of use-livecode Digest, Vol 165, Issue 41 > ********************************************* _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
