On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19.06.2016 19:56, FlexibleLearning.com wrote:
To me the terms "control" and "object" are synonymous.
<snip>
They may be synonymous to you; but all they do is cause confusion in the
"tiny minds" of 9 - 14 year old children who haven't heard about Piaget's
Formal Operational Stage, nor reached it.
You are, after all, an extremely experienced programmer who, probably, doesn't
even murmur
'object' or 'control' under one's breath while choosing a button any more (if
you ever did), as you have
internalised all that to such an extent that those terms are neither here nor
there. I know
that I have.
The other problem has nothing, as such, to do with naming conventions decided
by Livecode developers or other computer people, but to do with people's
perceptions of what they see on their WIMP GUI on a computer VDU.
A quick, impromptu survey involving 3 children (9 - 11 years old, my father
(83 years old) and myself [don't quote this one in your next academic paper]
tells me that folk will see a difference between 2 classes of 'things':
1. Stacks & Cards (I mean, let's face facts, stacks are essentially invisible
(or, maybe, as files
in one's directory) and only visualised through their cards).
2. Things that sit on cards (buttons, images, fields, et al).
AND, to that 'stack of cards' metaphor. How many teachers are bothering to pull
out
a pack of playing cards to illustrate this to kids who are in the Concrete
Operational Stage
and can't 'see' a Livecode as a pile of cards to save their lives?
A child, on Friday, said this, when I made him a second card: "Oh, a second
page."
The 'stack of cards' metaphor has become so entrenched in our brains after
years of bashing away at
Hypercard, SERF, HyperNext, HyperStudio (ooh, look [
http://www.mackiev.com/hyperstudio/select.html ] they have just released the
ability to export to HTML5), Supercard, Metacard,
Runtime Revolution - Livecode, blah, blah, that we assume it is automatic in
new users, when, in fact,
it may not necessarily be useful or relevant anymore. Especially, if, unlike
people like Bill Atkinson,
we don't come from a culture where we stack our pancakes up into one big pile and
"stuff our mushes", nor play cards on a regular basis.
My Granny, from Carnoustie via Dundee, used to impose a horribly boring card
game on my sister
and I every time she came to visit, called "Sevens", and whenever she was in
danger of losing
announce, "Ach, I've got a hand like a sweaty foot." Which put me off cards
almost completely.
Now; it does seem sensible to call things that sit on cards (buttons, images,
fields, et al) 'objects',
because, frankly, not all of them CONTROL things: surely, only things that
contain scripts CONTROL things?
To illustrate how daft calling things on cards 'controls' is, imagine calling
the black (or white) blotches
on a Frisian cow "organs", when they are so obviously different from things
such as mouths, eyes, ears
and udders.
Now, undoubtedly, SOME objects may become controls (by being gifted scripts),
but that's beside
the point when one shows a bunch of learners (whether they are either 9 or 83
years old,
or anywhere in between) a collections of things (buttons, images, fields, et
al) on a card, as they have
not yet become controls as they have not had scripts written into their
scriptEditor windows.
I wonder if it might not be a good idea to get a load of 9 year old native
speakers to sit down in front
of a VDU displaying a Livecode 'page' containing a load of 'objects' and ask
those children what they
would call them as a group of things.
Certainly, what ever "those things" are called, the apparent conflict in the Dictionary
between the "Obj"
words and the "Controls" mentioned in the Menus does cause confusion in young
minds (and it may in
others for all I know).
So, for learning purposes at least, I would say "B*gger the official terms",
what is needed is a coherent
set of terms for end-users.
Richmond.
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