On 14.05.2016 11:40, Monte Goulding wrote:
I'm not overly fond of the direction this conversation is going. Us v them is 
unproductive and there are many benefits to the platform for going open source.

AND, as to "complaining"; I often wonder where one draws the lines between 
"complaints"
positive criticism and negative criticism.
I would draw the line on complaints v positive criticism at whether it is a 
well written bug report. It's not hard to work out why it is less constructive 
to raise issues elsewhere. Negative criticism would be things like unnecessary 
negative statements about new versions of the platform on your Facebook page 
about learning it...

If that "jibe" is directed at me you might like to reflect on the nature and the target audience of my Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses/?fref=nf

This is a support page for the classes I teach every summer to to children between 8/9 and 16 who have
NO experience of programming at all.

It is also being followed by approx. 15 kids (that's the number who have reverted to me so I am aware of them) outwith Bulgaria who are using those examples offered there to learn Livecode themselves.

The comment to which you no doubt refer: "While Livecode is supposedly "Stable" it is really NOT ready for use, so best left alone at present."

is only there because I am well aware that children getting ready to attend my classes this summer will go to the download page and see Livecode 8. Should they download Livecode 8 they will be faced with something that is far more complex than Livecode 7. It is not suitable for the Summer classes I shall be teaching this summer, both because of the complexity I referred to, and the fact that it is not as stable as Livecode 7.

This is NOT negative criticism, this is a message tailored for a certain audience.

I will consider, next year, should I conduct summer programming classes then, introducing children to Livecode 8 on the last class
of their course.

Teaching people how to drive a articulated lorry with a gear stick that coupled with a splitter allows one 16 gears is daft if they, first, haven't learnt how to drive a salon car. Especially if the artic. lorry has a small problem with some of its synchro-mesh.

That is NOT a negative criticism, it is a statement of informed opinion.

Here's an example of negative criticism: "The heads-up display in the Toyota Sprongo is useless."

It is negative both because it uses a word that stops one dead in one's tracks, and offers no suggestions as to how one might
sort that problem out.

"Not ready for use" leaves the door open, that, in time, the thing will be ready for use.

One thing that you may be unaware of is that I am an educator with many years experience of working with children, and while I may be capable of all sorts of clever things, that is probably because at the age of 54 and buckets of study I have built up a body of knowledge which the average 10 year old does not possess. So I cut my coat to suit those children on that Facebook page.

Best, Richmond.

Monte

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