On Mon, 29 Feb 2016 11:40:41 -0500 Glen Bojsza<gboj...@gmail.com>  wrote:
To: How to use LiveCode<use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>


After reviewing all the previous releases of Livecode I am trying to
determine when LC 8 will start getting to RC and then how long from there
to stable.

My question is hard since there is no true and fast answer on how the
development goes ...anything can cause it to derail.

But does anybody think it is reasonable to get to a stable release by July
this year?

My license expires in August and I would hope with the amount of time that
has passed and up to then that I would get a stable release of LC 8 before
my license expires.

Or I am expecting too much?

regards,

Glen



You are surely not expecting too much. The question is, however, what kind of a license 
you own at the moment. It would not help you to get a stable release of LC 8 before your 
license expires in August, if it is not a "perpetual-style" one. If you bought 
your current license under the new subscription scheme you would have to buy a new 
license anyway to be able to produce closed-source stacks or apps.

According to what Livecode-Support told me, licensing rules changed to "subscription 
style" in April 2013 during the Kickstarter campaign. This would mean - as a 
requirement to be able to use your present license past your expiration date in August - 
that you must have bought a Commercial license before April 2013 which was valid at the 
same time up to August 2016.

 I am in a somewhat similar situation. I possessed a (perpetual) Commercial license 
(August 2012 to August 2013) at the time of the Kickstarter campaign in 2013 which 
license was then "extended" for three years until August 2016 on account of my 
Kickstarter contributions.

The Livecode CTO (Chief Technology Officer) wrote on Dec 14, 2015 (use-list: 
"licensing issues"):

Up until the subscription model style license was introduced, the
LiveCode Commercial License was perpetual per version.

and on Dec 19, 2015:

As your current (perpetual-style) license expires in August 2016, you
have access to a perpetual version of all versions released (whether
they be gm, rc or dp) up until that date.

This view is not being supported by "Livecode Support". They claim that since the licensing scheme 
changed to "subscription" in April 2013, my perpetual license at that time was somehow affected and 
mutated to subscription style, too, as it were "on the fly". I was never informed about such a 
change during the Kickstarter campaign and I doubt that such a silent change could be legally justified.

At present my personal Livecode account shows that I even own *two" Commercial 
licenses:

- One - this must be my "perpetual" license - allows me to access LC versions 
4.5.x to 6.1.0, and

- the other is "valid for all versions until 15th August 2016", but is 
strangely restricted to all versions lower than LC 7.1.2 (seven-one-two) for downloads 
and offline activation files.


We are discussing these issues at the moment.


Kind regards,

Wilhelm Sanke



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