I didn't actually take any of this personally to begin with, so it's all good.
-- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:43 PM, Dave Kilroy wrote: > A lovely reply Bill > > I now hope both Peter and Richard are feeling equally valued and respected > :) > > Kind regards > > Dave > > > Wprothero wrote >> Interesting discussion for a livecode list, but it can't resist jumping >> in. I think the issue of titles is very cultural. In the US, titles are >> much less important than they are in English society, for example (at >> least from my extensive knowledge gained by watching "Downton Abbey"). >> After I got my PhD in physics, occasionally a friend would jokingly tell >> me she had a pain in her back, or wherever. I'd immediately suggest that >> she remove her blouse so I could take a look. Ok, I was young. But it got >> a laugh. >> >> I must admit that, as an American where titles are not as important, I >> wouldn't call myself "Dr" on this list. Personally, I'd rather be judged >> on my comments and contributions, and I make stupid mistakes just as often >> as anyone else, and I consider myself a student of livecode anyway. >> >> How we use language is cultural and the Oxford dictionary does add slang >> whose use becomes so common that is part of the language. In the US when >> we (or I) hear someone called Dr (outside of a college/academic context), >> I think first of an MD. If I were an MD and was told I wasn't a "real" >> doctor, I'd be insulted. It's cultural. Personally I'd feel like I was >> being pompous if I insisted that the title of Dr was used to address me >> outside of academia. Again, no criticism of Dr Hawkins. I am guessing >> that, in his world, it's customary. >> >> One of the things I love about this list is its diversity and folks are >> not judged by titles, but by their contributions. We can respect others, >> even in the face of their mistakes or questions that sometimes seem >> uninteresting. >> >> Ok, back to coffee. >> Bill >> >> William Prothero >> http://es.earthednet.org >> >>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 3:03 PM, "Dr. Hawkins" < > >> dochawk@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Peter M. Brigham < > >> pmbrig@ > >> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, but as an MD I have to protest this. I may not have contributed >>>> to >>>> knowledge in the sense of having published original research, but i'm >>>> confident that I have contributed to the well-being of thousands of >>>> patients. That said, I don't take offense at being called "Mr." outside >>>> of >>>> the office. >>> >>> I'm not disputing the value of MDs, but the meaning of "doctor" for a >>> couple of thousand of years before the creation of the modern MD. >>> >>> The modern MD was designed (or named) specifically to "borrow" the >>> prestige/reputation/non-killing-patients of the doctors of the >>> university, >>> at a time when general medicine was more likely to hurt than help (I >>> think >>> crossover to net good was 1920, give or take, in the western world). >>> >>> It was a wonderful change, and a major factor in modern prosperity. But >>> an >>> MD isn't what the word doctor (latin for "teach") has meant and been used >>> as--one who has both acquired significant knowledge in a field, and >>> contributed to that knowledge (and neither does a J.D., which I also >>> have). >>> >>> I just get a kick out of it every time I hear the pompous "I'm a real >>> doctor" from an MD dismissing, well, real doctors :) >>> >>> I don't mind the title around, but the chutzpah in dismissing the real >>> thing is amusing. >>> >>> (I understand, however, that there was an older MD that was comparable to >>> the PhD and DD, but that's not who most folks were treated by . . .) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Richard E. 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