On 26/02/14 16:22, Dave Kilroy wrote:
Richmond - what you write about Irish history is 'interesting'
Well, that is not, quite honestly, my opinion, but that of an Irish friend of mine who had this to say:
"Unfortunately, it is the ‘Anti’ element of nationalism of which I was most aware when growing up in Ireland and this is why, even if I am not opposed to Scottish independence, (not being Scots myself, I do not have an opinion on the matter and regard it as something for the Scots to decide) the possibility of the breakup of the UK makes me feel a bit queasy. I can only comment about the Irish experience, from which the Scots the English and the Welsh all in their desire for ‘independence’ would do well to draw lessons. Secession from the UK, even if it satisfied a desire for ‘independence’ or ‘freedom’ was a disaster for Ireland. The independence that was achieved was flawed by the fact that Ireland effectively remained a province of the UK which was inevitable given that most of its trade was with the UK. We may have been ‘independent’ but decisions that affected us were still being made in the Westminster parliament to which because of a choice exercised, not by the people of Ireland, but by a group of separatists, we were now unable to send representatives. In the aftermath of the secession Ireland became increasingly provincial and inward looking and not only the English, Scots and Welsh, but also Irish people who did not conform to the ideal of what was required to be ‘Irish’ were most definitely regarded as ‘other’. And the much vaunted ‘freedom’ which the separatists believed that they had achieved was squandered as the Catholic Church was increasingly deferred to by politicians with results of which I am sure that you are aware. Sectarianism reigned in both parts of the island, more spectacularly in Ulster, but insidiously and destructively in the South which lost most of its Protestant population in the first 40 years of independence. This situation would have continued for much longer had the country not been ‘rescued’ by its membership of the EU. Of course the history of Scotland’s relationship with England is very different to that of Ireland; it is a history of dynastic alliances rather than of conquest and plantation, so it is to be hoped that if the Scots decide in favour of independence (and it now seems that sooner or later they probably will) the path that will be followed will be closer to that of the Czechs and the Slovaks than that followed by the Irish."
Richmond.
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