Richmond, My response was directed towards Bob.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com>wrote: > On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote: > >> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the >> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered >> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point >> is >> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in >> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of >> the >> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise) >> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'. >> >> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as >> it >> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western >> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their >> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like >> we >> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper >> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough >> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our >> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some) >> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide >> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to >> restore servility. >> >> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from >> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the >> like. >> >> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out: >> >> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by >> I >> might add) do not need to be compelled." >> >> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster >> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket. >> >> I'm not suggesting that you >> > > To whom does "you" refer to? > > Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been > put out of joint :) > > Richmond. > > > are a gangster or run a protection racket, of >> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance >> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in >> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives >> into those functions. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathew...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote: >>> >>> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they >>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a small problem there. >>> >>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North >>> Korean who broke certain of that >>> country's draconian laws, >>> >>> and, furthermore, >>> >>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there. >>> >>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has >>> been, >>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it >>> is >>> a crime. >>> >>> Richmond. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Regards, Andrew Kluthe and...@ctech.me _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
