I built for windows using 9.6.9… just heard from my friend that he could open 
the app.

Thanks all for the ideas and information.

take care,
randy

Randy Hengst
classroomfocusedsoftware.com



> On Aug 24, 2023, at 10:41 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an ios app that I built for myself only. I was able to load the app on 
> my iphone for debugging. It works fine, for me, in normal use. You may be 
> able to do the same with your friend's device. It saves a lot of the trouble 
> with certificates, etc. you might search the forum on "sideloading".
> 
> Good luck.
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero, PhD
> Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science
> University of California, Santa Barbara
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 6:30 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> This all very interesting. I haven’t built for windows in about 10 years. 
>> So, I’ve never messed with signing certificates.
>> 
>> I’ve downloaded and played with Matthias’ CodeSigning Tool… seems very 
>> straight forward. But, I’m trying to build an app only for a friend to use 
>> for free and, so, I’m not too keen on buying a certificate for $100+ every 
>> year.
>> 
>> Is there a way for folks to open an app on windows that is not signed? …like 
>> you can do on a Mac after the scary alert…
>> 
>> take care,
>> randy
>> 
>> Randy Hengst
>> classroomfocusedsoftware.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2023, at 10:47 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful info, thank you. Especially the part about using the token on 
>>> different machines. I was duped into believing everything I read on the 
>>> internet. :)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> On July 20, 2023 4:20:59 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> Am 20.07.2023 um 17:21 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Matthias. I've been reading about it and I think the cert is 
>>>>>> stored on the machine but it is tied to that computer and not exportable.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If you get a new computer you need to buy a new certificate.
>>>> I don't think that is true. The new type of certificate has to be stored 
>>>> on a secure device. That's what the eToken is for. The private key is also 
>>>> stored on the eToken and the certificate and the private key cannot be 
>>>> exported. You should be able to use that token on multiple computers. You 
>>>> just have to install the eToken driver to an other computer and attach the 
>>>> eToken to it.
>>>> 
>>>> This is what Trustzone is saying about it:
>>>> "The token-based type of Standard Code Signing certificates can also be 
>>>> used on multiple computers. The same goes for token-based EV certificates. 
>>>> But no token-based certificate can ever be used simultaneously on two 
>>>> computers since the SafeNet token can only be plugged into one computer at 
>>>> a time."
>>>> 
>>>> As i never had such eToken, i do not know, if the certificate and the 
>>>> private key can be accessed as files through Finder. And what extension do 
>>>> they have. I've read the osslsigncode can use also certificates and key 
>>>> files with .cem extension.
>>>> So if the eToken contains such files, WinSignHelper could be slightly 
>>>> adjusted to work with the eToken. But that's just an assumption.
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So I don't think I'll experiment, and we'll just do the whole thing on 
>>>>> the Windows box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The sad part is that if we'd renewed just a couple of weeks earlier we'd 
>>>>> have been within the cutoff date and could have purchased the old type of 
>>>>> certificate.
>>>>> 
>>>> Same here. I was about 5 days to late otherwise i could have ordered the 
>>>> olde type.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> If anyone else has used the new token hardware I'd be grateful for any 
>>>>> tips or suggestions. This is all new to me.
>>>> 
>>>> I am using a cloud based OV certificate from Certum. I just need to 
>>>> install the Software SimplySign Desktop. The software "integrates" the 
>>>> certificate into Windows' certificate storage (or what ever this is 
>>>> called) after i logged in using that SimplySign Desktop software.
>>>> Microsoft's signtool can then directly access the certificate.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> On July 19, 2023 4:20:23 PM matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To be honest, i do not know.
>>>>>> I am currently using a cloud code signing certificate which i can only 
>>>>>> use on Windows.
>>>>>> I've chosen the cloud version because of the price, but later i noticed 
>>>>>> that it seems that those cloud certificates cannot be used on macOS.
>>>>>> Or maybe they can, but i do not know how, especially with ossl signcode
>>>>>> WinSignHelper uses ossl signcode and currently that tool needs a path to 
>>>>>> a certificate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you know where the certificate is stored with the eToken solution? Is 
>>>>>> it stored also on the eToken or anywhere else on the Mac?
>>>>>> If you have the certificate as a physical file it maybe could be 
>>>>>> possible to select that file in the WinSignHelper prefs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But as  i alread wrote, i really don't know exactly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am currently thinking of purchasing a 2nd certificate as eToken 
>>>>>> solution, but there is not yet a decision made, if i should spent money 
>>>>>> for this, as i have a working cloud certificate which expires in 3 years.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Am 19.07.2023 um 22:53 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>>>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> @Matthias: does the upgraded WinSignHelper work with the new hardware 
>>>>>>> eTokens? Those are required now.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If so, do the instructions change on how to use your tool?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/23/22 10:44 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>>>> i've upgraded my free tool WinSignHelper.
>>>>>>>> For those who do not know what WinSignHelper is...
>>>>>>>> It's a GUI for osslsigncode. Osslsigncode is command line tool that 
>>>>>>>> can do the Authenticode signing and timestamping. With it you can code 
>>>>>>>> sign Windows applications  using an appropriate code signing 
>>>>>>>> certificate.
>>>>>>>> You just drag a folder with your Windows application into 
>>>>>>>> WinSignHelper and it signs all components of your standalone (.exe and 
>>>>>>>> .dll).
>>>>>>>> WinSignHelper Help section gives enough information about how to 
>>>>>>>> install osslsigncode.
>>>>>>>> So if anyone is interested in testing....
>>>>>>>> The version is  notarized and is an universal build for X86 and Arm
>>>>>>>> Zip
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.zip
>>>>>>>> DMG
>>>>>>>> https://dl.qck.nu/?dl=WinSignHelper_universal.dmg
>>>>>>>> Hope this is of help for one or the other.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jac...@hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>> 
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