--- On Sun, 8/7/11, J. Landman Gay <jac...@hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

From: J. Landman Gay <jac...@hyperactivesw.com>
Subject: Re: Converting HTTP to FTP URL
To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 8:49 PM

On 8/7/11 10:05 PM, Jeffrey Massung wrote:

> So, the only way you can begin to solve this issue is if you have direct
> access to the web server and know how it's routing and serving static
> content.

I'll answer you and Mark Weider at the same time. I'm trying to add auto-upload 
to AirLaunch. It mostly works. I can only upload via ftp (http isn't usually 
accepted, I don't think, even if you provide a name and password. At least, it 
doesn't work on my hosted account.) There is already a place in the stack for 
the user to enter the http URL where their installation files will be 
downloaded from. That URL is required for setting up the wi-fi installation, so 
AirLaunch already has that.

I could ask the user for a separate FTP upload URL but I'd rather not if I 
don't have to. What would be better is to take their HTTP URL and convert it to 
a valid FTP URL which will only be used internally by AirLaunch to get their 
files onto their server.

On both my main hosted server and at my site on on-rev, changing the htpp URL 
works if I add "www" after the domain part of the path. That allows an ftp 
upload to resolve the www alias, and the rest of the path is the same as the 
http URL. Easy, and no hassle for the user.

But when testing with a subdomain, that method creates a new "www" folder 
inside the subdomain, which isn't what's wanted. So I'd like a generic way to 
create a valid FTP path from a known HTTP path, one that works with primary 
domains as well as subdomains.

It sounds like I may have to ask the user to provide both paths. But that makes 
everything more complex because the two paths are slightly different, the user 
needs to know the distinction between web-relative paths and absolute paths and 
what their web root folder is called, and I'd rather avoid the support issues 
around that if I can.


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........and now, Jaque, we are back to the begining of the circle of confusion

If subdomains are allowed on a server, then each should logically have every 
nested folder with separate permissions, such as 
 cgi-bin/    www/   public_ftp/     private_ftp/   public_html/
(on my server, the cgi-bin/ folder is created when I create the subdomain, but 
it is the only one)

One question is "If a subdomain is specified, why would you want to give access 
to the root domain folders (that should have different permissions)?

You can have a blog root at  www.GreatLcAdventures.com/blog/
and at
Minnisota.GreatLcAdventures.com/blog/

Although the subdomain folder appears in the directory tree for the root 
administrator as just a folder, the server sees it as a special permissions 
starting point.  This means that a user that has access to only the subdomain 
will be restricted to that portion of the tree (of course, special tricks can 
change that)

As admin, if you give a user a login and passwd for the subdomain, they should 
only have ftp access to that folder tree.

If they have the root admin login and passwd, then they only have to keep the 
path names orgainized correctly.

Most of the time, ftp access for users of a subdomain has to be enabled by the 
admin, which will include login/passwd setup.  Assuming you only want to use 
the admin root access, this won't be necessary.

One answer to your quest may be that
if a subdomain is detected, 
either you move that name to the folder path just after the domain.com
     
1)   www.domain.com/subName/ftpFolder/

or disregard this if you are uploading to the root ftp folder (and allowing 
access by all subdomains, even though the folder is outside the normal 
subdomain tree)
        2)   www.domain.com/ftpFolder/

My apache servers are using    /public_html/   and    ftp.domain.com/
so rather than let the server resolve the path, 
I will define my explicit path as (in my case)

domains/specificDomainNameA.com/public_html/Home.php

domains/specificDomainB.com/public_html/Welcome.php


domains/specificDomainB.com/subName/Welcome.php
  (note that my server does not auto-create 'www/' for subdomains)

When you do find the answer that works for your server, document this with 
several examples of working and non-working strings so you can figure it out 
next time.  My trick is to keep all the strings that don't work, label them as 
such, put them into one block.  It is very easy to test the same string 
multiple times and lose track of the subtle differences.

I hope this does not confuse you.  The rules of the road for different servers 
can be tricky.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
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