I have never used an octal.

But it well might break legacy handlers of others, however simple it is to 
write a custom function to replicate.

Craig

> On Jun 9, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Never use octal. pretty much any entries theses days are decimal or 
> hexadecimal. Even binary (bit shifting or masks) is exceedingly rare
> 
> 
> On 6/9/2022 8:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>> So I'm currently sitting here about to embark on fixing 
>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23653> (which is the final 
>> thing to sort out before being able to merge my constant expression patch) 
>> and I was reminded of 'convertOctals'.
>> 
>> Now, generally, I am somewhat averse to actually removing any language 
>> feature (even those we have deprecated, unless we absolutely have to!) - 
>> however, I would really like to make convertOctals have no effect at all in 
>> 10.0+ as it adds a disproportionate amount of complexity compared to (what I 
>> think, at least) its utility is (particularly in the context of things 
>> 'coming next' like the script compiler).
>> 
>> So three questions:
>> 
>>   1) Do you know what convertOctals is, and what it does?
>> 
>>   2) If you do, have you ever actually used it in any scripts which are 
>> actually still in use?
>> 
>>   3) If you do use it in any scripts which are still in use, would you be 
>> willing to change them to not use it?
>> 
>>   4) If you do use/have used it, had you ever noticed that it has been 
>> slightly broken for years?
>> 
>> Now, its always better to offer a carrot when there is a stick (or in this 
>> case, an axe) being wielded and the carrot in this case would be to expand 
>> the numeric literal syntax to add both explicit octal and binary number 
>> literals alongside hexadecimal:
>> 
>>     0xabcdef - hex literal
>>     0o777 - octal literal
>>     0b101110101
>> 
>> The key difference between 0o777 and using 0777 (with convertOctals true) is 
>> that the former is not ambiguous at parse time, it doesn't require a runtime 
>> property set to true in order for the engine to convert the string to a 
>> number correctly.
>> 
>> Please let me know your thoughts :)
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. In the scheme of 'breaking changes' - we've already made a number of 
>> them for 10 already, and my gut tells me removing convertOctals is likely to 
>> cause less consternation than those we already have - but I could be wrong!
>> 
> 
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