I understand that perfectly. I am not blaming the LC people, but the net effect is what it is. I *would* like to see the option for NOT codesigning apps, so that the choice can be left up to us, but I suspect that with OS 11, the option to run non-codesigned apps has already been deprecated.
Bob S > On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:51 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > It isn't really a LiveCode ting. This is Apple placing these requirements on > their developers no matter what language you write code in for the macOS. > > On 2/28/2022 12:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >> I guess the question now becomes, what is the last Livecode app that can >> create standalones without requiring these certificates? I may need to plant >> my flag there and go no further. >> >> Bob S >> >> >>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:36 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode >>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> It occurs to me that this may drive a lot of hobbyist Livecoders away, and >>> discourage others from coming onboard. There ought to be some kind of >>> disclaimer on the website, since it is a paid product only now. I'd be a >>> bit miffed if I bought an application for developing new apps and didn't >>> know that there would be more cash outlay required before it would work. >>> >>> Bob S >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 09:25 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode >>>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, you really have to go through all of that. The few helper stacks out >>>> there are just front ends (using the shell command to call command line >>>> utilities from xcode) that make it easier once you have everything set up. >>>> >>>> Yes, it sucks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/28/2022 12:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: >>>>> Okay, so I am at the point that I cannot build apps without codesigning >>>>> and notarizing. Livecode will throw an error now if I try and don't have >>>>> these certificates installed. Great. >>>>> >>>>> So I have been going through the tutorial, and I see I have to be an >>>>> Apple Developer, which means I have to shell out yet another $100 per >>>>> year. Fine, I did that, even though my app is for internal consumption >>>>> only. >>>>> >>>>> Now It appears that for me to get the certificates needed to create a Mac >>>>> standalone, I need xCode! Okay, I go to download xCode, and it will not >>>>> install because my MacOS is too old! 10.15.1 is apparently ancient! So I >>>>> am at the point now where I am asking myself, is this really worth it? >>>>> After all the back and forth on the list where people's certificates >>>>> expire, or the version of xCode they are forced to use isn't compatible >>>>> with one thing or another, is building Mac standalones really worth it? >>>>> >>>>> So my question is, do I really have to go through all this just to create >>>>> a Mac standalone from livecode? Or do these other utilities, >>>>> mrSignNotarizeHelperV3 for example, eliminate the need for all of that? >>>>> >>>>> Bob S >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
