I just tried 2 apps that I built in LC 9.5 business. I have Catalina beta 7 installed. Neither app was code signed or notarized. I moved the apps to that machine via a thumb drive and did not zip compress either one. They both launched on Catalina beta without complaint.
Next I zipped one of the apps and uploaded to my server and then downloaded it to the Catalina beta. This time when I tried to open, I got the message that it could not be opened because its integrity couldn’t be verified. The only options were “Move to trash” or “cancel” I then right clicked and chose Open and again got the warning about not being able to verify but now had an additional option to open, which it did. I quit and opened again - this time with no warnings or trouble. I did just get a notice that beta 8 is available. Will test when I get it installed. Marty > On Sep 11, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Richmond via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > The most telling test is if anyone who has a Catalina beta installed runs off > a Macintosh > standalone and sees if they can run it themselves: wether from the Open > Source version or > one of the commercial versions. > > Richmond. > > On 11.09.19 18:21, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode wrote: >> Keeping a clear look at things... That $100/yr does include "beta OS >> releases, advanced app capabilities, technical support, and tools to >> develop, test, and distribute apps." At one time one could get past OSs, but >> I don't think it is the case now. And you could go down to the test >> warehouse and test on old machines. >> >> On the Windows side, I have used MSDN Universal ($2200/yr) and MSDN >> Operating Systems ($700/yr) in the past. The latter might be comparable to >> the Apple Developer membership. Well, it was when you could get past OSes >> from Apple. >> >> I have seen ads for codesigning certs that work for both Apple and Windows. >> I don't know what that means. And I don't know why the fees for 2nd and 3rd >> years are so high. >> >> Dar >> >> Senior Consultant >> Dar Scott Consulting >> >> Mad Scientist >> darzLab >> >>> On Sep 11, 2019, at 2:38 AM, JJS via use-livecode >>> <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>> The ratio of money asked from devs is also of course: (considered mobile) >>> >>> Mobile Operating Systems Percentage Market Share >>> Mobile Operating System Market Share Worldwide - August 2019 >>> Android 76.23% >>> iOS 22.17% >>> KaiOS 0.59% >>> Unknown 0.26% >>> Samsung 0.21% >>> Windows 0.2% >>> >>> So apple iOs is somewhat increasing this year, in 2018 it was 15% worldwide. >>> >>> Apple asks 100$ yearly --iOs/ (and macOS) >>> >>> Google ask 25$ one time fee -- Android >>> >>> Amazon is FREE ! (for the time being) -- Kindle which is just Android >>> >>> You can also use other platforms for free like Fdroid >>> >>> Beats me why Apple charges so much yearly while the gain i think is to >>> lower that cost as they earn money from your sales anyway. >>> >>> Is there an alternative platform for iOs/macOs ? >>> >>> >>> Op 11-9-2019 om 07:57 schreef Peter Reid via use-livecode: >>>> I've been reading the responses to my original posting with interest. My >>>> thoughts are as follows: >>>> >>>> 1. Matthias Rebbe's tutorial and helper stack seem to be excellent and >>>> appear to be the best way of complying with Apple's requirements, for now. >>>> Let's hope that Matthias can maintain this as Apple move the goalposts >>>> over time! If Matthias is unable to sustain these aids I'd hope that the >>>> LC mothership would adopt them. >>>> >>>> 2. A lot of the apps I develop are used by immediate friends and family >>>> (and a tiny circle of customers). They are private developments for use in >>>> closed communities. Apple have no right to be involved in these and the >>>> extended development cycle caused by their involvement is just unnecessary >>>> pain. >>>> >>>> 3. If Apple's measures really did provide bullet-proof protection the pain >>>> could be justified given the gain. However we know that this protection >>>> process is continuous and it becomes more and more onerous over time >>>> whilst still providing partial protection for a limited time. >>>> >>>> 4. If the Apple measures were a simple switchable setting I could switch >>>> them off whilst I check the user experience for a new user. Then I could >>>> switch the features back on to see the fully Apple-ised experience. As it >>>> is now, using the current Catalina beta on my development Mac, I see no >>>> blocking or warnings. So I've no way of testing the user experience on my >>>> development Mac. I have to find another Mac to act as my newbie user. Even >>>> then if such a Mac has been a previous newbie, how do you neutralise it to >>>> relive the newbie experience? >>>> >>>> 5. The $100 charge each year is inexcusable. Basically Apple are saying >>>> "We'll make any app development more tedious unless you pay up $100 every >>>> year.". Even the development of the simplest app, to be used as a >>>> temporary tool by a couple of friends will be blighted by warnings, etc. >>>> if you don't pay $100 per year and jump through the hoops! Apple are >>>> deliberately making life more difficult and charging us $100 a year for >>>> the privilege! >>>> >>>> 6. I wonder how much developer time world-wide is wasted jumping through >>>> Apple's hoops, especially those developers without the benefit of LC and >>>> Matthias' tools? >>>> >>>> 7. If a new-to-LC developer wants to do the usual "Hello World" trivial >>>> 1st app (making an executable standalone app), they have to understand >>>> code-signing, notarising and stapling, DMG/ZIP creation and be >>>> signed/paid-up Apple developers. >>>> >>>> Thanks to Matthias, you're a life/sanity saver, but I still find the >>>> prospects as an app developer rather depressing! >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> -- >>>> Peter Reid >>>> Loughborough, UK >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
