On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 15:45 -0400, Jason Hoover wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 16:23 -0400, Yuval Levy wrote:
> 
> > nice try, but does not work. will only simulate the intended behavior 
> > and will give a false sense of security. the only true security is an 
> > option not to write thumbnails to disk in the first place.
> 
> Then why not simply disable thumbnails in the first place?
> 
> There appears to be some discrepancy and two clear camps. 
> 
> The first position is: "I like cached thumbnails and dislike having to
> thumbnail the same things every time." These people seem to understand
> how the thumbnail system works, and despite it's inherent risk of
> recording things you may have looked at, use it anyway. I am of this
> opinion.
> 
> The second, yours: "I like cached thumbnails and want them to be kept on
> the individual media." However, this carries some usability issues on
> it's own. 
> 
> Firstly, storing thumbnails on network drives or removal media can be a
> serious issue if permissions ever come into play (and they will). For
> instance, a user might create a .thumbnail directory in a drive with the
> permissions 700, and then prevent any other users from making thumbnails
> in your proposed design. The existing spec avoids this. 
> 
> Scenario number two; even under your system, the potential exists for
> there to be thumbnails of images which /have been deleted/. So for
> instance, say you make some sensitive image on a removable volume, look
> at it, then delete it. The thumbnail of that image will still continue
> to exist on that removable (or networked) volume, perhaps even with your
> name on it. The existing spec avoids this as well by providing
> a /central point/ where the concerned user's thumbnails can be easily
> cleared. This is not possible on removable volumes without combing
> through all of the individual media in question.
> 
> >From a network administrator's point of view, your proposed idea makes
> an administrative nightmare. Thousands of tiny thumbnail files which are
> stored in awkward locations on volumes, possibly with usernames that no
> longer exist, perhaps requiring world-writable permissions on network
> volumes for them to even function properly, in addition to excessive
> numbers of read/write operations and traffic over a LAN or long-distance
> WAN (or even to a write-count sensitive volume, like packet re-writable
> or flash memory) per thumbnailed directory.
> 
> 
> This really only leaves two options:
> 
> 1) Disable thumbnails.
> 2) Make the thumbnails more easily removed.
> 
> Perhaps the 'clear document history' option should be expanded to this
> function? This provides a compromise; people who don't like their
> information recorded can remove it at will, and people who don't care or
> trust their own systems can keep it while still maintaining the full
> functionality and benefits of the thumbnail system.
> 
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