On 11/09/2011 03:58 PM, Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
Hello!

I'm new here, but have already read some of the online documentation for 
proposing new characters.  I'm still a bit unsure how to go about it.  Or even 
who can do it.  Can individuals submit ideas, or do you need to be the 
representative of some agency or group?  How much supporting background 
information is deemed sufficient?  Where do I find details (more than just the 
pipeline table) of current pending proposals?

There are others here who will throw even more cold water on some of these ideas, but I can suggest that you read http://www.unicode.org/pending/symbol-guidelines.html for some ideas about what is encodable and what isn't. You'll probably find plenty of exceptions, but it's a start.


Here are my ideas in very abbreviated form.  If these are non-starters from the 
beginning, I'd as soon know it sooner rather than later.

These first several self-descriptive shapes are simply things I've seen 
suggested and wished for online for some time.

2B5A    CLOCKWISE SPIRAL
2B5B    COUNTER-CLOCKWISE SPIRAL
2B5C    CLOCKWISE DOUBLE SPIRAL
2B5D    COUNTER-CLOCKWISE DOUBLE SPIRAL

These might well be non-starters. Think about the first question you'd be asked: Why should these be encoded? Is there any reason we should be considering these symbols "plain text" that need to be encoded as such? Or is it just because they're common simple geometric symbols? While it is true that a lot of simple geometric symbols have been encoded, it generally has not been *because* they are simple geometric symbols, but rather because they were encoded in some other standard once before, or because they are used as plain text in some settings.

The next several are a response to a perceived deficiency in standardization of 
religious symbols. I suggest starting these cultural symbols at 2BC0 to 
distinguish them from the generic/geometric symbols earlier in the block.  Very 
brief description/background given.

2BC0    ICHTHYS ="Jesus fish", symbol used by ancient Christians for 
identification, denotes non-denominational and inter-denominational Christianity in 
modern times
2BC1    TRIQUETRA =three-lobed vesicae piscis, used in Christianity and 
ancient/modern paganism
2BC2    MENORAH =7-branched temple lamp, ancient symbol of Judaism
2BC3    HANUKIAH =9-branched Hanukkah lamp
Apply the same question. What makes these symbols plain text? To be sure, there are other religious symbols in Unicode, particularly in the MISCELLANEOUS SYMBOLS and DINGBATS blocks, but those are mainly there because they were formerly encoded in, say, Zapf Dingbats, or are commonly used as map symbols. (You might actually be able to find some support for these, though, but don't ask me where.)

It's a very common mistake, in coming to Unicode, to think "Oh, it would be *so great* if these things were encoded!" But Unicode isn't about encoding what would be neat to encode. It's about encoding _text_, (including things that have been encoded before).

~mark


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