First all. Please I'm not trying to FUD Ubuntu or Ubuntu GNOME in any
way. Just like to have a decent Ubuntu and GNOME DE in PC for a long
time and using the more stable and usable, jet updated one.
El sáb, 4 de ene 2014 a las 6:37 , Tim <t...@feathertop.org> escribió:
On 05/01/14 11:02, Daniel Espinosa wrote:
I can see, as you decribed before, that Ubuntu GNOME depends totally
on Ubuntu Desktop team, to get its stuff in place, if some bugs
(like LP: #1228765) stops us to complete ship GNOME 3.10, then we
will be halted at the version Unity can or wants to use because they
are focused in their Ubuntu's Desktop and just use the one
technology they need for they goals.
Sure there is some overlap between Ubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME, but its
certainly not the case that we depend 'totally' on what the ubuntu
desktop team does. This overlap is reducing each cycle. LP: #1228765
is not really specific to Unity, it will affect other DE's that are
metacity/compiz based also.
Then what about if LP: #1228765? If it is not fixed on time, we could
stay on 3.8 not 3.10, even can't run to 3.12. Hope Ubuntu Desktop
developers take this in consideration about, how their considerations
affects other Ubuntu flavors.
At some point GNOME, may use/depend on systemd for some of its
functions, if that conflics with Ubuntu goals/features they will
drop or neglet to use any module depending that technology.
Ubuntu is already using many systemd components. Its really only the
systemd init component they are not using.
The really point here is:
What technology will be accepted in Ubuntu repositories to be used by
Ubuntu flavors?
and
What if a flavor wants to pick updated versions? Are they blocked by
incompatibilities with Unitiy? Just to know.
I've seen Debian devate on what init system to use, discusing
systemd portability or abailavility to all its platforms, that means
GNOME must take care about to have hard dependencies on modules, if
they want to be considered as default desktop enviroment in Debian
or some other distributions not using or providing the required
packages.
I don't see how what init system debian chooses, affects what DE's
can be run.
This is a reflextion for GNOME developers, but is a matter of Ubuntu
GNOME. Ubuntu GNOME Team requires to interact with Ubuntu Unity
developers and with GNOME ones, in order to conciliate or try to push
some decisitions, in order to provide a high quality and updated GNOME
flavor.
I love Ubuntu, I've used for a long time now. I think they provide
good hardware support and great community. I love it the more when
it uses GNOME as default, now I just see lot of forks, patched
libraries, and missing hardware tests to other DE different from
Unity one. Then AMD graphic cards will work better on Unity than in
GNOME Shell, for example. This will prevent Ubuntu GNOME to provide
high quality software with good support from other vendors, until
(may be) Red Hat release a desent version of GNOME Shell for it RHED.
No idea what you are talking about here, graphics drivers are not
specific to Unity.
I mean: Are Ubuntu Desktop Developers testing all hardware for all
flavors? I think no.They focus on Unity.
When finally I update to GNOME 3, first time it was available on
Ubuntu, I can't use my ATI drivers in gnome-shell, but in Unity, I had
to search to install my self (losing the "out of the box" Ubuntu
provides for most).
When I install Ubuntu GNOME 13.10, I don't figured out that it is not
using ATI propietary drivers, until I install VMWare to test Ubuntu
GNOME 14.04 Alpha 1. When to install drivers from repositories I get a
broken system, then I need to remove ATI propietary drivers. I'm still
investigating about this issue and found my card is not supported in
lastest AMD linux drivers, but on legacy ones, I'll try to install and
test. Of course this is my issue not related with this thread and I'll
report any issue if is Ubuntu GNOME related.
Why I just can't release a different set of packages from Ubuntu?
They are just for different applications, if we fix the ones for
Ubuntu GNOME we can just release them and Ubuntu just prevent to use
that packages by mark them as "CONFLICT" with Unity's packages.
That is not how the archives work, essentially to do that requires
forking the packages. Nobody wants to maintain multiple forks of the
same program.
How Ubuntu GNOME Team, can discuss with Ubuntu Developers, in order to
take actions like fork GNOME modules for their Unity desktop, to not
bloking other flavors to provide updated modules. I know this requires
more maintenace work in time being, but that means less conflicts and
frictions with other projects.
A message to Ubuntu Desktop Developers: "JUST LET THEM BE AND RE-USE
THE ONES YOU WANT".
I would really like to have a huge community for Ubuntu GNOME for test
and packaging, providing updated versions of GNOME and a high quallity
product.
Have you consider to switch over next 3.14 GNOME version, for next
cycle. I think we could get help from Debian guys for packaging and
testing, some other developers will help and convert GNOME lastet
version as first citizen in Ubuntu (I know it is for Ubuntu GNOME, but
now we are one version behind).
El sáb, 4 de ene 2014 a las 5:27 , Tim <t...@feathertop.org>
escribió:
On 03/01/14 06:53, Erick Brunzell wrote:
Will that possibly be included in the drop to
trusty-proposed? I gave it a go this AM transferring
a
large number of files from the hard drive out of a
bricked
laptop and the transfer rate was great. I also think
it
has a much cleaner layout. I love that they
integrated
window management with the other controls because it
reduces vertical screen usage. Great improvements
over 3.8
:^)
Hoping to get it uploaded to Trusty, however since its
shared with Ubuntu, depends on getting ubuntu-desktop
team
approval.
Lance
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