Op 13-07-11 11:29, David Planella schreef:
El ds 09 de 07 de 2011 a les 11:16 +0100, en/na Matthew East va
escriure:
Hi,
On 9 July 2011 10:01, Hannie wrote:
We, Ubuntu Dutch Translators, are currently translating gnome-user-docs, the
Ubuntu Desktop Guide you get when you press F1 in Ubuntu Natty (with Unity),
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/gnome-user-docs/+pots/gnome-user-docs-gnome-help/nl/.
But following the discussion on this subject, see discussions below, I am
not sure what I'll get when I press F1 in Oneiric. If gnome-user-docs is no
longer going to be used in Oneiric (Unity), there is no point in continuing
translating the Natty version, since we are not far from the Oneiric
release. On the other hand, if it will be used in Oneiric, finishing the
Natty version is important because it is likely that most of the strings
will also appear in the Oneiric version.
The latter position is correct. The strings currently used in
gnome-user-docs (natty) will be present in the ubuntu-docs package
(oneiric), although updates will be made to reflect changes to the
software as between natty and oneiric. For now it is worth translating
gnome-user-docs (natty) because updates will be shipped to this
package. Do not translate any oneiric documentation, it is too early
in the release and these strings may change.
The gnome-user-docs (oneiric) package will contain the upstream
documentation and will be used for gnome-shell (not installed by
default).
Resuming what you say here, I come to the following conclusion:
1. gnome-user-docs (natty): the finished part of our translation will be
presented to the users of Natty/Unity when pressing F1 on the desktop;
this will take effect as from July 21, the date of the next update.
2. In Oneiric/Unity the package "ubuntu-docs (=F1)" (previously known as
gnome-user-docs) will contain these translated strings, together with
additional strings specific to Oneiric. These templates will appear in
Launchpad after the documentation string freeze.
3. In Oneiric the package "gnome-user-docs" will be used for the
gnome-shell (to be installed by users who prefer Gnome instead of Unity)
Another issue is the upstream translation. I can upload the Launchpad
translation, once it is finished on Launchpad, to Gnome-nl. But I want to
know if, in the LP document, there are strings added for the Ubuntu users
only.
About half the strings in gnome-user-docs (natty) come from
gnome-user-docs upstream, so it is worth uploading the translations.
This would mean that the translation of the Launchpad document is only
partly suitable for other distributions. What will happen to the strings
specific to Ubuntu when I upload the Launchpad document to Gnome-nl?
Will they automatically be ignored?
And as for ubuntu-docs,
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/natty/+lang/nl, is this what
is called the new topic-based help help ("Desktop Help"), and will this be
used in Oneiric?
No, this will be dropped in Oneiric. This is documentation for the
ubuntu-classic desktop, which is present in Natty, but not in Oneiric.
Hi Matthew,
I know we're not yet in documentation string freeze, but many people
tend to start translating regardless, and I'd like to minimize the waste
of effort. To be clear, although discouraged, it's up to the translators
themselves to decide whether they want to translate at this point.
I can only speak for the Dutch team: after Matthew warned us NOT to
start with the Oneiric translation of ubuntu-docs/gnome-user-docs, we
sticked to the translation of gnome-user-docs Natty. But we do hope most
of the translated strings from Natty will we transferred to Oneiric.
There
is not much we or the docs team can do to avoid that.
Apart from removing the templates from LP ;)
In any case, one thing we can do is to disable the templates that we're
certain that are not going to be used for the release.
Is there any template we should disable from this list?
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs
Thanks.
Regards,
David.
Regards,
Hannie
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