Hi, CC:ing ubuntu-translators just to get interested people on-board, no need to continue CC:ing.
Please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/language-selector/+bug/434173 - do you think I'm missing something, can the report be refined? The new way of handling supporting translations, writing aids etc. moves them from package dependencies to language-selector. However, it means that new installations of Ubuntu do not get the full language support at install time, even when connected to Internet. My previous guidance for those reading an installation guide has been to enable Internet connection before starting the installer to get eg. Finnish support. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/language-selector-karmic describes the user should get a notification after installation. First of all, I tested it and it seems non-functional at the moment (a bug on its own). Secondly, I do strongly think it's not enough - for example 50% of the users could easily not be interested at the one-time popup, forgetting about it - but they will run into a bad Ubuntu experience once they are in a situation of lacking a spell-checker for example, or reading English documentation. Also, it does not seem Ubuntu tools currently are very error-proof in case of lacking an Internet connection - they will simply fail and no new notifications (or guiding to connect to Internet) are given. To match Ubuntu 9.04 functionality, I think Ubuntu installer should call language-selector to install full language support at the installation time, if the Internet connection is available. This would result in a similar behavior to 9.04, with the pop-up being there to hopefully help those who didn't enable the Internet connection (there is no guidance for it when starting from the Live CD). Besides "am I correct or could you refine the bug report", I'm interested in against which packages the bug should be filed? Is it a a) bug against language-selector (to have some silent "--fix-missing" to be used by the installer), b) bug against installer (launch language-selector, silent or not), c) bug against update-manager (I would like to have more than just one pop-up about installing full support - for example, update-manager could completely automatically download full support together with the first updates for a single time), d) bug report against The Whole World (language-selector + lang-pack-o-matic changes + ...) since the problem appeared in the first place? If you know the answer or part of it, please go ahead and refine the bug. I'm also interested if these were thought about during creation of the Karmic language-selector blueprint? The popup notification is not enough IMHO, and it wasn't enough in 9.04 either. But especially as the situation is now worse in 9.10 than it was in 9.04, can we bring it to 9.04 level somehow? After that, we might think how to actually make it Just Work for lucid (I'm thinking about guiding the user by hand to connect to Internet etc). -Timo -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
