On Tuesday, September 22, 2015, David Neil Kristensen <ace...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Re: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50 > > (David Neil Kristensen) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:26:54 +0200 > > From: David Neil Kristensen <ace...@hotmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ace...@hotmail.com');>> > > To: "ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');>" > > <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');>> > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol > > 101, Issue 50 > > Message-ID: <dub129-w63e18d703c2ebbd7760142c9...@phx.gbl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I want to unsubscribe. > > Sorry but I use Windows 10. > > Thanks. > > Best regards > > David Neil Kristensen > > > > > From: ubuntu-studio-devel-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Subject: ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50 > > > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:00:25 +0000 > > > > > > Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to > > > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > ubuntu-studio-devel-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > ubuntu-studio-devel-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: Artwork license (lukefro...@hushmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lukefro...@hushmail.com');>) > > > 2. Artwork license (Mike Holstein) > > > 3. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > > > 4. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > > > 5. Re: ISO breakage (Kaj Ailomaa) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:05:42 -0400 > > > From: lukefro...@hushmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lukefro...@hushmail.com');> > > > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > > > <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');>> > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license > > > Message-ID: <20150921220542.592c020...@smtp.hushmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','20150921220542.592c020...@smtp.hushmail.com');> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > That's a good point. Consider this scenario: People put their names on > everything. > > > and the software is used by insurgents against a repressive regime. > Unable to catch > > > the insurgents, the regime in question simply goes after any and all > persons whose > > > names can be tied to the work, copyright holders of the tools included. > > > > > > Here in the US, if someone is arrested with a cell phone, every person > whose phone > > > number is in that phone is potentially placed at risk if the case is > "hot" enough. In > > > addition, metadata attached to finished work can be used to tie one > piece of work > > > to another. That plus concealing the camera I use is why all jpegs I > publish shot from > > > my camera are stripped of their metadata. For years I have encouraged > the anonymization > > > of such things: if you always strip metadata, you won't forget to do > so when it really > > > counts, like when a police shooting triggers an uprising and police > hunt independent > > > cameramen and videographers for "evidence." > > > > > > It is also a common practice here that when underground activists put > "points on the > > > board" against something like logging or gas fracking, aboveground > activists whose > > > names are known are harassed. > > > > > > There is a lot of media published by those who must conceal their true > names! I don't > > > permit my "legal" name to cross the Internet, and release the news > media pieces I > > > write to public domain with no names on photos or videos other than > those of other > > > activists who want their names used and provided 3ed party media. > > > > > > > > > On 9/21/2015 at 5:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net');>> wrote: > > > > > > > >On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote: > > > >>why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ? > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because > > > >they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how > > > >to > > > >make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open > > > >the > > > >svg file. > > > >Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the > > > >ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license? > > > > > > > >$ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}' > > > >ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16 > > > >$ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright > > > >License: CC-BY-SA-2.5 > > > > > > > >[ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint > > > >stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of > > > >the > > > >copyright holders? [/ironic] > > > > > > > >Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I > > > >would make my own art public without a license. > > > > > > > >The other question was about meta data add by applications. I > > > >didn't > > > >miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to > > > >create a jpg, png, svg? > > > > > > > >For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program, > > > >DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender > > > >150XL or what ever else was used. > > > > > > > >A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes > > > > > > > >$ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment > > > >Comment : Created with GIMP > > > > > > > >because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for > > > >recognition by > > > >the coders or do they help to fulfil laws? > > > > > > > >I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name > > > >Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not. > > > > > > > >My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was > > > >used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't > > > >be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and > > > >"Inkscape" to "bar". > > > > > > > >I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data. > > > >Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all > > > >information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data > > > >to a > > > >file of a picture or song. > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Ralf > > > > > > > >-- > > > >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > > > >ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 18:19:01 -0400 > > > From: Mike Holstein <mikeh...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mikeh...@gmail.com');>> > > > To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" > > > <ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');>> > > > Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Artwork license > > > Message-ID: > > > <CADmgLayPBfc2iM0r8+wLb-V98zhYrE5jJ=pfdyfagc-g-_0...@mail.gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pfdyfagc-g-_0...@mail.gmail.com');>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > On Monday, September 21, 2015, Ralf Mardorf < > ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net');> > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net');>');>> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:28:15 +0200, ttoine wrote: > > > > >why not the latest CC-by-sa 4.0 ? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I don't want to read texts I'm anyway unable to understand, because > > > > they are written in lawyer language, instead I prefer to read how to > > > > make a svg file look equal, what ever application is used to open the > > > > svg file. > > > > Assumed I should use the Ubuntu Studio logo from the > > > > ubuntustudio-icon-theme package, can I update the license? > > > > > > > > $ dpkg -l ubuntustudio-icon-theme|tail -n1|awk '{print $2" "$3}' > > > > ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.16 > > > > $ grep CC-BY-SA /usr/share/doc/ubuntustudio-icon-theme/copyright > > > > License: CC-BY-SA-2.5 > > > > > > > > [ironic] If somebody should misuse a Creative Commons spray paint > > > > stencils, would the police in some countries knock on the doors of > the > > > > copyright holders? [/ironic] > > > > > > > > Sharing art was much easier in the punk-rocking 80s. Still today I > > > > would make my own art public without a license. > > > > > > > > The other question was about meta data add by applications. I didn't > > > > miss a law that nowadays enforces us to mention the used tools to > > > > create a jpg, png, svg? > > > > > > > > For art I made in the past I never mentioned Canon AE-1 Program, > > > > DeVilbiss Aerograph "Super 63", Yamaha DX7, Yamaha SPX90II, Fender > > > > 150XL or what ever else was used. > > > > > > > > A wallpaper I already made without the Ubuntu Studio logo includes > > > > > > > > $ exiftool Pictures/moonstudio_wallpaper_1.png | grep Comment > > > > Comment : Created with GIMP > > > > > > > > because it's a default for GIMP. Is it just craving for recognition > by > > > > the coders or do they help to fulfil laws? > > > > > > > > I never mentioned, if I used a Da Vinci Kolinsky or a No-name > > > > Kolinsky or if I used water-colours from Schmincke or not. > > > > > > > > My understanding is, that comments mentioning the software that was > > > > used can be removed. Namespace data for svg sometimes perhaps can't > > > > be removed, but I guess it's allowed to rename "Adobe" to "foo" and > > > > "Inkscape" to "bar". > > > > > > > > I'm serious! I've got concerns against all that sharing of data. > > > > > > > > > No one will make you share anything. Is that the question? How to make > a > > > file with no meta data? I think, it's safe to assume graphics are > created > > > and/or edited in a graphics manipulation program. Identifying said > program > > > really just does that. It identifies the tool. Advertising for said > tool is > > > a great reason. Maybe the developers of gimp would have more to offer > on > > > the decision to include metadata that identifies the tool. I'm +1 for > > > leaving that identifying information in by default. I'm sure we can > discuss > > > constructively how to create a file in gimp or Linux, generally, > without > > > said identifiers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making art I don't have secret recipes, I'm willing to share all > > > > information, but I dislike to include advertising and privacy data > to a > > > > file of a picture or song. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Ralf > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > > > > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > MH > > > > > > likethecow.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20150921/d83a46b8/attachment-0001.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:15:16 +0200 > > > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zeque...@mousike.me > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeque...@mousike.me');>> > > > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > > > Message-ID: > > > <1442909716.2427714.390195849.3b744...@webmail.messagingengine.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','1442909716.2427714.390195849.3b744...@webmail.messagingengine.com');> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 09:20 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote: > > > > > On 09/17/2015 09:48 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, our ISO is not building. Problem seems to be: > > > > > > ------------------8<------------------- > > > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > > > > > python-enum : Conflicts: python-enum34 but 1.0.4-2 is to be > installed > > > > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > > > > > -------------------8<------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is usually a problem with a version mismatch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems python-enum was made to conflict with python-enum34. This due to > > > python-enum not being available to laditools, if python-enum34 is also > > > installed. Not really a fix, but the situation renders all ladi tools > > > unusable, so I'm temporarily removing Gladish from our seeds so our > ISOs > > > can build. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 4 > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 10:16:03 +0200 > > > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zeque...@mousike.me > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeque...@mousike.me');>> > > > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > > > Message-ID: > > > <1442909763.2427990.390197121.528a4...@webmail.messagingengine.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','1442909763.2427990.390197121.528a4...@webmail.messagingengine.com');> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > Debian bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444 > > > New LP bug: > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1498345 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 5 > > > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 12:48:35 +0200 > > > From: Kaj Ailomaa <zeque...@mousike.me > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zeque...@mousike.me');>> > > > To: ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] ISO breakage > > > Message-ID: > > > <1442918915.3136280.390304553.6af08...@webmail.messagingengine.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','1442918915.3136280.390304553.6af08...@webmail.messagingengine.com');> > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Ross Gammon wrote: > > > > The "conflicts" was added very recently: > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795444 > > > > > > > > I am not sure how the black listing works, but certainly enum & > enum34 > > > > cannot live together. > > > > > > > > I suppose python-enum34 has to be kept, as there are quite few > reverse > > > > dependencies. Bit of a shame though. We could always ask Alessio > (Debian > > > > Multimedia Team) who seems to have forked laditools if he believes > > > > laditools could be made to work with enum34? > > > > > > > > > > Ah, sorry. You already were on top of the problem. > > > > > > If anyone wants to try to fix this for the sake of reintroducing ladi > to > > > Ubuntu Studio, be my guest. > > > Either laditools needs to be able to import python-enum, if both > > > python-enum and python-enum34 are installed at the same time (and the > > > conflict can then be removed), or as Ross suggests, laditools needs to > > > be rewritten to support python-enum34. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > > > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > > > > > End of ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 50 > > > **************************************************** > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20150922/96a7ce07/attachment.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > -- > > ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list > > ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com');> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel > > > > > > End of ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 101, Issue 51 > > **************************************************** > -- MH likethecow.com
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