Dear All, I am new in the mailing list and also new in QA , could you please provide me some guidance.
Happy Learning! Rahul Hada India On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Himanshu - Gmail <nealloveisbl...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Saturday 19 March 2011 05:30 PM, ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > wrote: > > Send Ubuntu-qa mailing list submissions to > > ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > ubuntu-qa-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-qa digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Newbie questions (Ronald McCollam) > > 2. Re: Ubuntu-qa Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17 (Auny kamal) > > 3. Re: Newbie questions (Joseph Areeda) > > 4. Re: Newbie questions (Jeff Lane) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:53:01 -0400 > > From: Ronald McCollam <ronald.mccol...@canonical.com> > > To: Joseph Areeda <newsre...@areeda.com> > > Cc: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: Newbie questions > > Message-ID: <1300452781.2070.11.camel@cavil> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 07:06 -0800, Joseph Areeda wrote: > >> Greetings, > > Howdy! :) > > > >> I'm just getting used to all the changes in the UI in Natty. I'm using > >> zsync to update the daily iso. Is it necessary [or helpful] to wipe and > >> reinstall the iso every day? I guess since I'm having install issues, I > >> should, but it's a bit of a process. > > Do you mean wipe the [virtual] machine that you tested the install on? > > If so, not really -- the install process should do that for you as long > > as you select 'erase and use the entire disk' during install. > > > > If you mean should you delete the ISO file before running zsync, > > definitely not. zsync will use the file you have and download only the > > parts that have changed, so you'll download much much less data (and it > > will go faster). If you delete the ISO first, zsync will have to grab > > the entire thing. > > > > zsync performs tests to be sure you have the correct bits, but you can > > always check yourself as well. Use 'md5sum' and the published md5sums > > on cdimage.ubuntu.com in the same directory as the ISO. > > > >> Once I install an iso, should I do apt-get upgrade or work with the > >> packages on the CD? > > That depends a bit on what you're testing. If you're testing a > > particular image (ISO testing) you want to stick with what was installed > > from the CD. If you're doing general testing, you can do either -- but > > if you find a bug you'll want to upgrade anyway to make sure it hasn't > > been fixed since the image was created. > > > >> What about reporting problems that show up in the logs but not in the > >> UI? Are those worth emails to this list? For example, I'm having > >> trouble with the Update Center so I have to run it from the command line > >> with LD_PRELOAD and in the window I see "software-center.apt.aptcache - > >> WARNING - broken packages encountered while getting deps for > daily-journal" > > The deps issue is *probably* just an indication that some packages > > haven't been fully updated in the repository. I wouldn't worry about it > > unless it persists. > > > > Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD? That one does > > sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked). > > > >> As the new guy, I'm a little shy about filing bug reports until I can > >> figure out if it's me or Natty. Is it better to ask or file bugs that > >> turn out to be my inexperience? > > When in doubt, file the bug. :) It's better to catch things as early as > > possible, and if it turns out to not be a bug it's generally pretty > > quick to tell and close it out. Just be sure to search in launchpad > > before filing a bug to make sure it's not already there. :) > > > >> I have a lot more questions like these but let's see if this email makes > >> it to the list. > > Got it here! Thanks for helping! > > > > - rm > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:14:01 +0600 > > From: Auny kamal <auny.ka...@gmail.com> > > To: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: Ubuntu-qa Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17 > > Message-ID: > > <aanlktim6xatnovh_mrmqp2qha41phdpukd1awv5oc...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > hi all i am onik > > > > On 18/03/2011, ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > > <ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote: > >> Send Ubuntu-qa mailing list submissions to > >> ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> ubuntu-qa-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-qa digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Hi Everybody (Jesus) > >> 2. Re: Hi Everybody (Sina) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:28:44 -0600 > >> From: Jesus <jesus.mtz...@gmail.com> > >> To: Quality Assurance <ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com> > >> Subject: Hi Everybody > >> Message-ID: <4d82d16c.1020...@gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> Hi everybody, > >> > >> My name is Jesus and a few years ago I start using Ubuntu and since > >> then I've been trying to collaborate, but maybe I didn't try too hard > >> until now. What I'm expect is help in some way and retrieve some of what > >> I receive from Ubuntu collaborators and volunteers. > >> > >> Finally what I want mostly is learn as much as I can and I really > >> hope that I can be helpful in some way or another. > >> > >> Best Regards > >> > >> Jesus > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:28:50 +0330 > >> From: Sina <sina.sabb...@gmail.com> > >> To: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > >> Subject: Re: Hi Everybody > >> Message-ID: <4d8302aa.7090...@gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > >> On 03/18/2011 06:58 AM, Jesus wrote: > >>> Hi everybody, > >>> > >>> My name is Jesus and a few years ago I start using Ubuntu and since > >>> then I've been trying to collaborate, but maybe I didn't try too hard > >>> until now. What I'm expect is help in some way and retrieve some of > what > >>> I receive from Ubuntu collaborators and volunteers. > >>> > >>> Finally what I want mostly is learn as much as I can and I really > >>> hope that I can be helpful in some way or another. > >>> > >>> Best Regards > >>> > >>> Jesus > >>> > >> Hi Jesus, > >> Welcome to the community. > >> > >> Sina > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> -- > >> Ubuntu-qa mailing list > >> Ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa > >> > >> > >> End of Ubuntu-qa Digest, Vol 41, Issue 17 > >> ***************************************** > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:49:15 -0700 > > From: Joseph Areeda <newsre...@areeda.com> > > To: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: Newbie questions > > Message-ID: <4d83b73b.4080...@areeda.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Thank you for the discussion Ronald. I've been experimenting with natty > > and gaining confidence in a VM with a little dabbling on a new system. > > I've been working with CUDA apps on Maverick so I will probably > > participate in the nVidia installation tests > > > > If I understand the gist of your comments I'd say: > > > > There are so many things to test that using Natty anyway I can is > > helpful to some extent. To test the installation uses the live CD, to > > test the packages update regularly, to test the hardware drivers use > > real hardware. > > > > Is that close? > > > > Some of my questions weren't clear but your discussion was useful. My > > first question would have been better phrased "Should I start with a > > live CD install every time?". And the answer is yes, if I'm testing > > installation procedures. > > > > Your question: > >> Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD? That one does > >> sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked). > > Yes it is a known bug, that's how I got the work around. Seems to be > > fixed now, it had to with the order libraries were loaded. > > > > I've also been trying to get started with the Bug squad and now have a > > better feel for when to report something as a bug. I still like to get > > a crash report request or see it twice before I do but I'm less shy > > about filing an operator error as a bug. > > > > As a newb in qa and bug squad (not development or unix) I have to say my > > biggest frustration is the proper answer to "where do I start?", "what > > do I do now?" seems to always be "start anywhere you want and do > > anything you want". Not knowing what I want yet makes that weird. > > > > I'm keeping notes with a wiki page in mind for the new guy. Like so > > much in this business things things seem incomprehensible and > > overwhelming one minute then trivial and obvious the next. That makes > > it real hard for those of you who know what you're doing to communicate > > to those of us who haven't had that AHA moment. > > > > You've been a big help. > > > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > > On 03/18/2011 05:53 AM, Ronald McCollam wrote: > >> On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 07:06 -0800, Joseph Areeda wrote: > >>> Greetings, > >> Howdy! :) > >> > >>> I'm just getting used to all the changes in the UI in Natty. I'm using > >>> zsync to update the daily iso. Is it necessary [or helpful] to wipe > and > >>> reinstall the iso every day? I guess since I'm having install issues, > I > >>> should, but it's a bit of a process. > >> Do you mean wipe the [virtual] machine that you tested the install on? > >> If so, not really -- the install process should do that for you as long > >> as you select 'erase and use the entire disk' during install. > >> > >> If you mean should you delete the ISO file before running zsync, > >> definitely not. zsync will use the file you have and download only the > >> parts that have changed, so you'll download much much less data (and it > >> will go faster). If you delete the ISO first, zsync will have to grab > >> the entire thing. > >> > >> zsync performs tests to be sure you have the correct bits, but you can > >> always check yourself as well. Use 'md5sum' and the published md5sums > >> on cdimage.ubuntu.com in the same directory as the ISO. > >> > >>> Once I install an iso, should I do apt-get upgrade or work with the > >>> packages on the CD? > >> That depends a bit on what you're testing. If you're testing a > >> particular image (ISO testing) you want to stick with what was installed > >> from the CD. If you're doing general testing, you can do either -- but > >> if you find a bug you'll want to upgrade anyway to make sure it hasn't > >> been fixed since the image was created. > >> > >>> What about reporting problems that show up in the logs but not in the > >>> UI? Are those worth emails to this list? For example, I'm having > >>> trouble with the Update Center so I have to run it from the command > line > >>> with LD_PRELOAD and in the window I see "software-center.apt.aptcache - > >>> WARNING - broken packages encountered while getting deps for > daily-journal" > >> The deps issue is *probably* just an indication that some packages > >> haven't been fully updated in the repository. I wouldn't worry about it > >> unless it persists. > >> > >> Why are you having to run Update Manager with LD_PRELOAD? That one does > >> sound like a bug, but it may be a known one (I haven't checked). > >> > >>> As the new guy, I'm a little shy about filing bug reports until I can > >>> figure out if it's me or Natty. Is it better to ask or file bugs that > >>> turn out to be my inexperience? > >> When in doubt, file the bug. :) It's better to catch things as early as > >> possible, and if it turns out to not be a bug it's generally pretty > >> quick to tell and close it out. Just be sure to search in launchpad > >> before filing a bug to make sure it's not already there. :) > >> > >>> I have a lot more questions like these but let's see if this email > makes > >>> it to the list. > >> Got it here! Thanks for helping! > >> > >> - rm > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:48:51 -0400 > > From: Jeff Lane <jeffrey.l...@canonical.com> > > To: ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > > Subject: Re: Newbie questions > > Message-ID: <4d83d343.9070...@canonical.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > On 03/18/2011 03:49 PM, Joseph Areeda wrote: > >> There are so many things to test that using Natty anyway I can is > >> helpful to some extent. To test the installation uses the live CD, to > >> test the packages update regularly, to test the hardware drivers use > >> real hardware. > >> > >> Is that close? > > Yep... > > > > Also keep in mind that the BIG thing for natty that needs a LOT of > > testing and bug filing is Unity... Natty itself isn't too much of a > > departure from Maverick in general terms, but Unity is the BIG thing for > > Natty and it needs a lot of testing. > > > > The second biggest thing is uTouch, but that only works if you have > > touch devices... I still need to buy a MagicTrackpad to do some touch > > testing with... but a touch screen netbook or a tablet would be even > > better :) > > > > Unfortunately, to use Unity, you need 3d, so that means either running > > on bare metal that supports it or running on a VM that includes that > > support (VirtualBox doesn't without addon stuffs, so getting Unity in a > > VBox VM requires some extra work). > > > > But yeah, you got it figured out ;-) > > > >> Some of my questions weren't clear but your discussion was useful. My > >> first question would have been better phrased "Should I start with a > >> live CD install every time?". And the answer is yes, if I'm testing > >> installation procedures. > > Yep... > > > > Consider this... I do installer testing in VMs and I maintain a local > > mirror of cdimages.ubuntu.com for doing so. > > > > I run Natty on a netbook (Lenovo S-10) and on a Laptop (Thinkpad x201) > > and keep those up to date with package updates (except when I'm doing > > something special like my recent Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty upgrade > > test). But that's my setup, and I'm weird like that :-) > > > >> As a newb in qa and bug squad (not development or unix) I have to say my > >> biggest frustration is the proper answer to "where do I start?", "what > >> do I do now?" seems to always be "start anywhere you want and do > >> anything you want". Not knowing what I want yet makes that weird. > > Unfortunately, that is the correct answer. Perhaps there's a better way > > to address it, but it is what it is... the things I did when I first > > started mucking about with Linux are certainly not the things you're > > going to want to do (that was back when you had to compile most drivers > > on your own, compile your own kernels for everything, and use keyboards > > carved out of stone using primitive tools). > > > > But just go where your interest lies... if you enjoy fixing bugs or > > writing code, learn to use Launchpad and Bazaar and start contributing > code. > > > > If you like working with bugs in general, triaging and even testing and > > filing bugs is a great way to start. > > > > ISO test days are always pretty fun if you enjoy doing test cases and > > trying to break things. > > > > And that's just three examples from a QA point of view... You could also > > help writing translation strings if you speak other languages and want > > to help make sure Ubuntu is translated properly. I only mention that > > one because it recently became a little more important to me by > > happenstance... > > > >> I'm keeping notes with a wiki page in mind for the new guy. Like so much > >> in this business things things seem incomprehensible and overwhelming > >> one minute then trivial and obvious the next. That makes it real hard > >> for those of you who know what you're doing to communicate to those of > >> us who haven't had that AHA moment. > > That's cool... but be sure you check around the wiki first as a lot of > > info may already exist (however, centralizing wiki information is always > > a good idea, IMO, and I really am NOT a fan of wikis in general). > > Speaking of which, writing and editing things on the wiki is yet another > > way to help out if editing and writing is your cup of tea... > > > > Welcome to the party! > > > > Cheers > > Jeff > > > Hello everyone, > > I am Himanshu from India. > I have gone through whole natty configuration and files.I figured out > some of the similarities between the bug of UI actually... Remember the > bug that 10.10 was having.? Users were getting the problem with some of > onboard cards (can be not sure ) that whenever they login to Ubuntu they > get the are dropped into text console instead. I don't know whether that > issue is still resolved or its open..... So i think the issue is that only. > > -- > Ubuntu-qa mailing list > Ubuntu-qa@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa >
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