That is indeed very good to know. On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Mathijs Veen <mathijsv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For the record, I just bought and flashed Ubuntu Touch on a Meizu Pro 5 - > very possible, and not that hard to do. Cheers, > > Hi Mitchell now thats good news. I scanned xda a while back and read there > was still problems doing that. Could you point me to some details? > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 5:22 AM, Mitchell Reese <d...@curiouslegends.com.au > > wrote: > >> For the record, I just bought and flashed Ubuntu Touch on a Meizu Pro 5 - >> very possible, and not that hard to do. Cheers, >> >> M >> >> On 12/09/16 13:14, Mathijs Veen wrote: >> >>> Well I am not quite that pessimistic Bob, >>> >>> I am just saying if no oems are doing a new Ubuntu phone any time soon, >>> you would need a relatively current reference device that is stable. Just >>> to tide every one over till that time does come again. Say an N5 or N6. I >>> congratulate you on getting your hands on an MX5. I was just a week too >>> late on that one. Completely surprised at such a limited run. I would take >>> it of your hands if you' re ditching it :) >>> >>> It wasn’t my intention to bash the project to death at all. I do >>> actually believe in the possibility of breaking into the status quo. If the >>> proposition is good enough. And I still believe UT can be that. I recently >>> did a live head-to-head on comparison with a hp windows continuum phone. >>> And Ubuntu won on some major points hands down. Convergence is pretty awsum >>> already and the design is as good as any phone I have owned. >>> >>> But i think Canonical can't afford to lose the base of users it has now. >>> So they need a reliable device coming from somewhere. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Bob Summerwill <b...@summerwill.net >>> <mailto:b...@summerwill.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Great summary, Mathijs, >>> >>> I have been using first a Meizu MX4 and then a Meizu MX5 Pro >>> successfully here in Vancouver, Canada as my daily driver. >>> >>> But in the absence of real devices, there is little point in the >>> project continuing. It would just be a drain of limited funding >>> for Canonical, who have plenty of other important projects which >>> need their focus. >>> >>> It is indeed a bitter pill to swallow, but unlike other open >>> source projects which can continue indefinitely as long as there >>> are people with itches to scratch, for Ubuntu Touch and other >>> mobile OSes there is a real co-dependency between hardware and >>> specific software. You aren't making software which can run on any >>> x86 chip, as is the case for much of the desktop world. >>> >>> Without supported hardware, it is pointless. Well, you could >>> support the emulators indefinitely, but that isn't producing any >>> real value in itself. >>> >>> The same situation has already led to the demise of MeeGo, Firefox >>> OS and a trial-by-fire for Sailfish OS. And the zombie state of >>> Windows Phone, for that matter. Blackberry OS is on death's door >>> as well. You need to achieve critical mass, or you die. >>> >>> Withdrawing to just tablets is another option, because it removes >>> the whole wireless modem stack and carriers from the picture. >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Mathijs Veen >>> <mathijsv...@gmail.com <mailto:mathijsv...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> (Jo-Erlend, I think you are missing the point: There aren't >>> any phones for new user to get. But worse: there are no phones >>> for active users/developers to replace theirs if broken. There >>> haven’t been for quite some time. That's bad because it is >>> really hampering community involvement, let alone growing it). >>> >>> If I may boil the discussion down: >>> >>> The last Ubuntu phone that went to market (in very limited >>> numbers and for a very short time) was in back in April. >>> Today, virtually no one in this thread is expecting another >>> official Ubuntu device any time soon. >>> No one knows this for sure but quite a bitter pill if true. >>> Question is: what do we do now? >>> >>> The thread provides a few options: >>> >>> 1) A Canonical phone. >>> I would say the least likely, if not a daydream. Most of the >>> reasons for that have been listed above. Canonical just isn't >>> a hardware company. >>> >>> 2) Return to the Nexus line again as reference devices. >>> This could work to keep the project -and especially community >>> involvement- alive in the short term. But Canonical would have >>> to pick some of the current Nexus models to enable and >>> maintain again. Without that -ie having to muddle on with the >>> N4- will soon have most ppl jump ship. As per a lot of >>> previous comments and also my own experience: the N4 is just a >>> little too underpowered for convergence over the wire and will >>> never support wireless convergence anyway. The N4 is the only >>> Nexus reference device left and it is hopelessly outdated. >>> Also they are indeed ridiculously prone to breakage. >>> >>> 3) A community port >>> I have been following the ubports project basically since it >>> started and especially Marius has been doing a massive job. >>> However: the number of different devices has, imho, been >>> spread out too wide and funding has been far too thin. >>> The only way I believe this could possibly work is this: >>> Assuming we get indication that 1 and 2 are not going to >>> happen, we have to organise some kind of community vote where >>> we decide on one, or at most two, devices that are going to be >>> ported for ut for the coming 1.5-2 years. We focus and rally >>> for funding and community time and knowlegde on that phone and >>> stick with it. We get people to see that spreading all that >>> porting effort over all those devices (see >>> https://devices.ubports.com/#/) isnt going to get us a stable >>> UT phone for the short and mid term. Let us call it a >>> community reference device. >>> And I wont mind adding that I agree with some in this thread >>> that the Fairphone2 should be a strong candidate for this. But >>> that is for a separate discussion. >>> >>> Some final personal thoughts. >>> I have tried to be as involved as my time and knowledge >>> allowed me since very early on in the project. I first flashed >>> a Galaxy Nexus (remember Maguro guys?) in October 2013. I have >>> been using, discussing, promoting, testing, bug reporting and >>> even doing a limited bit of programming for UT ever since. >>> Most of you all have similar stories. And I still believe in >>> the project. Actually, today more then ever. >>> >>> But this is the first time I am thoroughly worried for the >>> future of the Ubuntu converged desktop/phone/tablet. >>> >>> Sure, Ubuntu core and Unity8 will continue but will obviously >>> will take very different routes than if there were well >>> maintained real-world devices around that developers and early >>> adopters could use. For one thing: who's gonna build apps for >>> a system that doesn't have any actual phones? >>> >>> One last reason I am worried: Because during this, and some >>> other mail-threads and other channel discussions lately, there >>> has been almost dead silence from the Ubuntu Community >>> Management on this. >>> >>> I know they are in a difficult position in this because it is >>> probably impossible for them to come out and say: yeah guys, >>> regrettably there aren't going to be any new devices on the >>> market any time soon. Nevertheless, If that is the case one >>> would think that working with this community to bridge some >>> bad times with either a new official reference device or a >>> focused, mutual effort from Canonical and community developers >>> on a port could be the best course to take to keep this thing >>> alive. >>> >>> So (still operating on the sad assumption that no new device >>> will appear on the market any time soon) : If none of the >>> above scenarios get any traction, I will -with pain in my >>> heart- be forced to say goodbye to Ubuntu touch as the phone I >>> have been using for the past 3 years. Just because there isn't >>> any. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mathijs >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad >>> <joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com >>> <mailto:joerlend.schins...@ubuntu.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Why are you even asking if Meizu of Bq has lost interest? >>> Do you know something I don't? The point was to produce a >>> small number of phones for people who really want it and >>> knows why. Developers and enthusiasts. This was announced >>> as the strategy from the very beginning, long before there >>> were any phones to be bought. Ubuntu for phones hasn't >>> been announced as ready for mainstream and it isn't. Now >>> we have quite a few people using Ubuntu on phones and >>> providing feedback and software, building a community. >>> That takes time. Hopefully, more developers and Ubuntu >>> enthusiasts want the phone when they see feedback from >>> existing users. Then it might be time for another small >>> batch of phones, expanding the community and increasing >>> the guerilla marketing. >>> >>> One of the worst things that could happen, was if curious >>> people got the impression that it was ready for mainstream >>> and got one, only to be disappointed and then running >>> around on social media talking about how bad it is. People >>> who really understand the project, however, knows it's a >>> WIP and they're not so put off by its limitations. These >>> are good ambassadors. >>> >>> There's lots of stuff that must be done. For instance, it >>> would make sense to switch Ubuntu for phones to Snap >>> rather than Click. And of course, the big USP for Ubuntu >>> for phones, is it's ability to function as a desktop as >>> well. But that doesn't really work yet. For now, Ubuntu >>> for phones is better off being a geeky thing. >>> >>> What's the hurry? >>> >>> On 8 September 2016 at 05:58, mark <j.m.hol...@me.com >>> <mailto:j.m.hol...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> If Meizu and bq have lost interest in the platform, >>> and are really not planning to build new phones then, >>> perhaps enthusiasts - of which there seem to be no >>> shortage - should go down the Fairphone route, and >>> crowd-source a small run of devices, designed for >>> Ubuntu and produced by an OEM. I don't know what the >>> run of the Meizu or bq phones amounted to, but surely >>> say ~20,000 high-spec Ubuntu phones could be sold? >>> >>> >>> m >>> >>> >>> On 07/09/16 17:53, Mitchell Reese wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 8 September 2016 4:47:42 AM AEST, Bob >>>> Summerwill <b...@summerwill.net> >>>> <mailto:b...@summerwill.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running >>>>>>> Touch? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I suspect that the answer to that is "no". >>>>> >>>>> If, as seems likely, both BQ and Meizu have no >>>>> immediate plans to ship >>>>> further Ubuntu Touch devices then that likely means >>>>> that it is not >>>>> economically beneficial to them to do so. That >>>>> certainly isn't an >>>>> appealing market for other OEMs to join. >>>>> Canonical would likely be >>>>> pouring their money down the drain with such a device. >>>>> >>>>> Mozilla went through a very similar journey with >>>>> Firefox OS, though with >>>>> way more devices and way more traction. They ended >>>>> up giving up on the >>>>> device side, and focusing on just community ports, >>>>> and on application of >>>>> the OS to new (non-mobile) markets. >>>>> >>>>> Mobile is a tough, tough market to compete with. >>>>> Commodity Android >>>>> devices are very, very compelling to the mass >>>>> market. Mobile Linux is a >>>>> really niche. See the troubles Jolla have >>>>> experienced too. Even >>>>> Samsung are struggling to make any kind of impact >>>>> with Tizen - though that >>>>> likely has more to do with their own internal >>>>> politics than any lack of >>>>> resourcing or ability to sell large volumes. >>>>> >>>>> My personal feeling is that mobile is now "mature", >>>>> and uninteresting, like >>>>> the PC market. Who really cares if you have an >>>>> ASUS or an Acer or a HP or >>>>> whatever. They have razor-thin markets and little >>>>> differentiation. I >>>>> think that is where mobile is getting to be, with >>>>> Android as the Windows, >>>>> and iOS as the Mac. So iOS is premium and >>>>> profitable, "because Apple", >>>>> but Android is the de-facto standard, commodity and >>>>> unprofitable. That >>>>> is a really unappealing place to try to build a >>>>> third platform. >>>>> >>>>> Android has utterly skewed manufacturing too, to my >>>>> understanding, so that >>>>> if you want to get a SoC now, you are going to get >>>>> Android bootloaders and >>>>> drivers on it. As blobs. And you're just going >>>>> to have to suck that up. >>>>> Want X11 drivers? No way. >>>>> >>>>> Tizen is the only mobile Linux which hasn't just >>>>> made the pragmatic choice >>>>> of avoiding the issue by using Hybris. For >>>>> everybody else, Android has >>>>> become the de-facto HAL :-) >>>>> >>>>> So yeah... I have an MX5 Pro as my daily driver and >>>>> love it. MX4 before >>>>> that. But I don't have much hope of any future >>>>> Ubuntu Touch mobile >>>>> devices. I think we're likely walking dead, but >>>>> just haven't stopped >>>>> walking yet. >>>>> >>>>> So maybe Jolla and Tizen are the "last men standing" >>>>> in this space? For >>>>> mobile profile, at least. Tablets are a different >>>>> story. Ditto IoT and >>>>> Ubuntu Snappy Core. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 10:49 AM, mark >>>>> <j.m.hol...@me.com> <mailto:j.m.hol...@me.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> The same thought had crossed my mind. Touch seems >>>>>> to be reaching the point >>>>>> of maturity where something of the Edge's specs >>>>>> might come to fruition. It >>>>>> would be a winner, imho. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are OEMs not queuing up to ship devices running Touch? >>>>>> >>>>>> m >>>>>> >>>>>> On 07/09/16 14:32, Art wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Question....... >>>>>> >>>>>> I read all the comments, and I am now curious..... >>>>>> >>>>>> What is to stop Canonical from releasing their own >>>>>> branded phones right >>>>>> now?? Just because the current 'offering' isn't >>>>>> Canonical branded, Is there >>>>>> anything that prevents them from selling a >>>>>> Canonical branded phone later >>>>>> on?? >>>>>> >>>>>> After all, now we know that a linux based phone >>>>>> actually works, what is to >>>>>> stop Canonical (or even myself) from seeking out an >>>>>> independent phone OEM, >>>>>> buying them in bulk and rebranding them, complete >>>>>> with the linux software >>>>>> already installed? >>>>>> >>>>>> Great list all, I hope to see the linux phone >>>>>> succeed! It's about time we >>>>>> take back control of our own phones and block all >>>>>> the 'features' that rob >>>>>> us of our privacy!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Art >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/05/2016 10:49 AM, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> Did anyone from Canonical considered to 'simply' >>>>>> develop phone themselves >>>>>> alone, order it in factory and sell with Canonical >>>>>> brand? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Mailing list: >>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm. Disagree - thanfully. Otherwise, whats the >>>> point? Similar arguments when Microsoft was still a >>>> thing - why compete? >>>> >>>> The thing about Ubuntu is it's also a desktop system >>>> - and has the potential to be much more. Will be >>>> interesting to see where this goes, but I'm backing >>>> Canonical. >>>> M >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> <mailto:ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net> >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-phone> >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- b...@summerwill.net <mailto:b...@summerwill.net> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > -- b...@summerwill.net
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