On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Fola Dawodu <folabik...@gmail.com> wrote: > Let me get this straight. > > For v 1: > The system has services which do work in the background and can be 'adopted' > by any other app to enable "working in the background"? >
exactly. Some use-cases might not be covered by the background services we will be offering, but we can collect actual requirements over time and extend. > If this is accurate i dont see what the problem is!! +1. Thomas > > On 14 Aug 2013 15:48, "Thomas Voß" <thomas.v...@canonical.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Roberto Colistete Jr. >> <roberto.colist...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Em 14-08-2013 08:18, Zisu Andrei escreveu: >> > >> >> Scott, careful, we might end up on the bad side of things, as >> >> developers >> >> would want their app to be running all the time so he will abuse this, >> >> and >> >> we end up having all the things running all the time and the enduser >> >> gets >> >> bad performance, battery life and overall bad experience. >> > >> > >> > Well, Ubuntu Touch is said by Canonical to enable convergence of >> > devices, e.g., a smartphone which becomes a PC by connecting a monitor >> > (by >> > cable), mouse and keyboard (by Bluetooth). >> > >> >> Sure, see my comment on adjusting the lifecycle policy below. >> >> > Let us remember that a notebook user with Linux, Mac OS and Windows >> > has >> > real multitasking. The user is responsible for opening and closing >> > softwares, if some open software has heavy load and waste battery life >> > fast >> > as hell, it is up to the user decide if it will remain open or be >> > closed. >> > Sometimes the user really needs to run a 6 thread calculation for 30 >> > minutes >> > on a quad-core notebook. Conclusion : user has freedom. >> > >> >> Again: We can dynamically switch to a different lifecycle policy if >> the phone is docked or charging. >> A phone is a different form factor and usage scenario than a normal >> desktop PC and thus, the lifecycle policy is different, too. In the >> end, we want the Ubuntu Touch to be used by people who potentially >> don't even own a laptop or a desktop computer. >> >> > So, all of a sudden, desktop and notebook users when switch to a >> > smartphone can't be responsible anymore to decide which softwares should >> > remain open or be closed ? >> > >> >> That's an interesting way to put it: Let's phrase it this way: Users >> do not need to care, the state of an app is completely transparent to >> them. >> >> > Psion Epoc 32 users (from 11-16 years ago) have real preemptive >> > multitasking on pocket computers with 16MB of RAM, some users have >> > devices >> > which lasted 5 years without rebooting, without the system closing >> > softwares >> > by itself. Even also using my Psion Revo+ for developing >> > (editing/compiling/testing) on device, it remained 2 years without >> > rebooting. Not a bad experience at all. >> > >> >> Well, we are doing preemptive multi-tasking, too. We just reserve the >> right to aggressively take away resources from non-focused >> applications. >> >> > IMHO, It is a joke to have in 2013 quad core & 2GB RAM smartphones >> > with >> > not real multitasking. >> > >> > I can say that a lot of future Ubuntu Touch users expect to have >> > almost >> > all features of Ubuntu for PC's, including real multitasking. They are >> > fed >> > up of Android, iOS and Windows Phone limitations. So don't let Ubuntu >> > Touch >> > repeat these limitations. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> -- >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
