On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:46:47 +0200 Reinhard Tartler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Personally I'd find a file a bug first rule very demotivating.  One more 
rule 
>> to convince me to spend my time on other things.
>
>Could you please elaborate here? What specifically is the annoying part
>of filing a bug? Possible reasons I can image:
>
> a) Too cumbersomely
> b) The round-trip time is too high that make duplicate work more likely
> c) the use of lp restricts possible contributors
> d) The complete list of outstanding merges must be easily visible.
>
>
>For a), I image that we can craft scripts a la 'request-sync.py'.

Yes, but the (lp: #nnnnnn) is not scriptable.  It needs the mail back from 
LP to get the number.  Personally, my merge workflow involves testing with 
exactly what I intend to upload.  So even with such a script it's send the 
mail, wait aroung for a reply, copy/paste in the bug number, try to remeber 
what points exactly I want to look for when I test, and move on.

>From my perspective, such a script would help, but not eliminate the 
nuisance.

>For b), I don't really beleive that is really a problem. If someone
>notices a duplicate bug, he can surely mark it as such and coordinate
>the contributors (may them be Ubuntu Developers or not).

The risk is admitedly small, but due to not refreshing web pages and such 
is non-zero, particulalry given the lag in mail processing.

>For c), Yes, managing LP do require a LP account. I don't think it is
>really unreasonable to force contributors to have one as well.

Agreed.  To use the proposed merge script would add a requirement for 
non-motu to have a gpg key in their LP account.  People who didn't could do 
it manually.

>For d), I think this can be solved technically by launchpad tags, and a
>scraper that presents all bugs tagged 'needs-merge' or something
>somewhere on http://people.ubuntu{,wire}.com
>
Potentially, but we already have such a list of packages on MoM/DaD.  Why 
don't we just use the list we have.  It seems like a lot of work and 
inconvenience to LPify a list we already have.

Scott K

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