On 2016-01-03 00:46, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Jasper Backer <jas...@jbacker.nl> wrote:Hi,Hi,I can provide a proper virtual machine on my dedicated server for the project. That box will stay up no matter what as I am dependant on it as well :)Thanks. We need to have 1-2-1 chat later IN CASE we want to consider that option. I can't confirm now. I have very bad experience with 'free' hosting services. No offence, I'm just sharing my experience and I don't mean anything bad here.
No worries. :) If it's ever needed I can provide it (also should we need a staging environment or just a server for different purposes for the project). I'm dependent on the machine itself as well and have the funds to keep it going. :)
Nice. Go and give it a shot. If we're past the initial "struggle" with this I am guessing keeping the hosting there would be the 'best' option, still.But indeed, first seek some help. If L/X/Kubuntu have rather proper websites, we should be able to get this running as well. Maybe ask for some expertise on the other projects teams?This is still fresh :) Sharing it with all of you:<knome> to you too <amjjawad> Thanks <knome> so, what's the question? <amjjawad> ubuntugnome.org [1] is hosted with Canonical AFAIK. I can't even update WordPress, nor install any plug-in nor do anything whatsoever. <amjjawad> I can only create pages and add posts, that's all. <knome> you can send requests via rt.ubuntu.com [2] <knome> that's how canonical-hosted sites work <amjjawad> For Xubuntu, do you guys host with them too? <knome> yes <amjjawad> website + ISOs too? <knome> yes <amjjawad> From your own experience, do you think it's a bad idea to host somewhere else? should we stick with them? <knome> there are benefits with both ways * thc202 (~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) has joined #xubuntu-devel * thc202 (~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) has left #xubuntu-devel ("Leaving") <knome> when you host with canonical, and have figured out a stable environment, you don't have to deal with the maintaining overhead yourself <knome> and by stable environment i mean you know which theme/plugins you want to use <amjjawad> True. We're planning to replace the current website with a better designed one. However, due to limited access, we're unable to do that and I was wondering how to do it but now, you told I need to contact rt.ubuntu.com [2] <knome> rt.ubuntu.com [2] is where you can request canonical to update the website files with new ones <amjjawad> Someone mentioned they're so slow :( not sure if that's true. <amjjawad> I guess one way to find out is to actually send and see. <knome> as i said, once you have figured out a stable environment, it's ok <amjjawad> Yes <knome> our requests for theme updates are *usually* responded to within 1-2 days <knome> anyway, i would strongly suggest, regardless how you build the theme, to maintain it in a bzr (or any other) repository so you can ask the canonical IS to update to a certain revision <knome> this also enables them to see a diff between the version you are running now and the version you are requesting <knome> this is important because all changes more or less go through code review to make sure it's safe <amjjawad> Indeed. <amjjawad> Can I share this with my team? <knome> this is a public channel - of course <amjjawad> I know, just thought to double check :) <amjjawad> Many thanks. If that will work for us, we're sticking with them. If not, I have a decent web hosting service (a friend) and he has been a great help and just given me some discount for non-profit projects. We will see which option is best for us. <knome> good luck <amjjawad> To be honest, I love the design of Xubuntu. I wish I could build something similar. <amjjawad> Thank you knome appreciate your time :)
Greets, JasperOn the other hand: Ah okay. Basically for you Ali, whatever package you choose I will give you it for the same price as the one below. Advanced, you will get same price as starter. Business you can have the same price as advanced and webmaster you can have for the same price as business. https://austenite.co.uk/ I just got special discount from my friend. Here are our options. Let's choose wisely :) I know whenever money is involved, people run away. Think twice before you run away and by you, I mean all of you. When GNOME had problem: http://ubuntugnome.org/defend-gnome-campaign/ Look how much they had: https://gnome.org/groupon/THIS MATTER IS RESOLVED! Thank you for all the support that you have given us! The response to this campaign was overwhelming, with 5622 individuals contributing USD 102,608.76 to help the GNOME Foundation defend its trademark.Why donating 1USD for Ubuntu GNOME is a HUGE issue and bad nightmare?!
To be fair, if you try and download the plain Ubuntu you first see a "paywall" (you can choose to just download instead of paying if you prefer). Maybe that page/principle is usable for UG as well?
We do have options :) I'll get on IRC sometime soon to follow the discussions a bit more (Want to be more involved in this project, so if you have any suggestions :))Again, if I have income, I'd take care of the whole thing myself :) Sadly, I don't and therefore, we need to work as one team.
At least, this is what I think ...On 02-01-16 20 [3]:36, Narcis Garcia wrote: I agree with Jasper that first step is to reach same hosting facilities as other projects in Canonical hosting (as Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu do). If this really fails, next getting some of our 2 free-cost flexible offers (Jasper and mine). I can host those resources you are asking for, with no money (at the only cost of mention at some marginal credits). El 02/01/16 a les 13:40, Jasper Backer ha escrit: Hello, First: I've not yet been socially active on here I believe. Guess it should be time to say "Hi" :) If there's a place where I should shortly introduce myself, let me know. Now reading this.. Isn't it better to get the current hosting-related issues sorted out? I believe taking the hosting away from Canonical is a bad step. Find out who's in charge, if we *really* are restricted to the current platform as-is, etc. Lubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu all have decent websites and are all on the same platform. It shouldn't be impossible for us to have a proper website. If we are taking it away however, I am guessing having a proper VM/VPS somewhere is best. If it helps, on my private dedicated server I can setup an account with full FTP/SQL/etc access for the Ubuntu Gnome project to develop the new website on. Do we have DNS control of the domain? I'll even provide a VM with separate IP for the project if needed, on my server (for whatever purpose we need it, including hosting the website if we are going that route). I have enough resources (mem/disk) available and I rely on that server myself as well, so rest assured that it's being taken care of properly :) Greets, Jasper On 02-01-16 13 [4]:02, Ali/amjjawad wrote: Hi, Thank you for your email :) On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Narcis Garcia <<mailto:informat...@actiu.net>informat...@actiu.net> wrote: Can you remember to others?: 1. What are the "conflicting" Canonical limitations in current server 2. What are the proposals to overcome those limitations in new server It's 22:55 here and I'm heading to bed. So, I'll make it as short as possible. With the current server, I can't even change the theme nor update the platform (WordPress) nor can install any plug-in ... only Canonical people can do that AFAIK. So to change the website (design wise), I'm not even sure what's involved? who is in charge? etc ... With a new server, we shall have 100% freedom over our website. We can do whatever we like such us updating the website itself, updating the platform (wordpress), install/remove plug-ins and more .. We're many people around and if each one donates 1-2USD, that would be great .. It's our project, if we don't take care of it, who would?! El 02/01/16 a les 03:36, Ali/amjjawad ha escrit:Hi, I believe the subject says it all. I personally can notaccept nor waitany longer for Ubuntu GNOME to have a NEW Website (we've beengoing backand forth for ages now) and to have a new website, we need anew server.https://austenite.co.uk/ This web hosting service is for a great friend of mine. Hisname is Krisand he lives in the UK. Doesn't really matter where he lives. Most likely, we need the "Advanced Plan" for 'more' bandwidthor maybemore - not sure what kind of bandwidth do we currently havefor whereubuntugnome.org [1] <http://ubuntugnome.org><<http://ubuntugnome.org>http://ubuntugnome.org> lives for now.Whatever plan we need, that obviously can't be done withoutpaying for that.If I do have an income, I'd be more than happy to pay for thewholething but sadly, I have no income as of now. Beside, we're acommunityproject and we all should work together in my humble opinion. We have been waiting for ages and it's getting very silly tolive withthe current 'bad looking' website. I can NOT believe we needyears justto do one task, that's having a new website?!. Totallynon-sense to me.Why we need our own server and not use Canonical's one? Simply because we shall have MORE freedom and choices. Whether you agree or disagree with my idea, we do need awebsite to beup and running soon. If you agree, we need to donate. If each one of us donate1USD, I'm surewe can cover the cost :) Looking forward for some serious useful feedback ;) P.S. Why I recommended Kris? I have been dealing with him for someyears nowand I can vouch for him. Never had one single issue with him. -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, Ali-- Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:<https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome-- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." 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