On 11/16/2015 03:17 PM, Steve Lorimer wrote:
Hi Ali.

The way I explained how to download Ubuntu Gnome wasn't an attempt to help people find the download link. It was a step-by-step run down of the process I had to go through in order to find the link as a newcomer to the distro and the website.

In doing do, I was attempting to illustrate just how difficult and convoluted the hoops are one has to go through in order to download it.

IMHO I don't think making the download link difficult to find will make people any more or less likely to read the release notes. If people are too lazy to read the release notes then they're not going to read them, regardless of how hard it is to find the download link.

The pages you linked to (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME/LTS and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME/Non-LTS) both prominently implore people to read the release notes.

Would it not be reasonable to have a Download page with nothing other than the above 2 links on them?



Seems reasonable to me.

Lance






On 16 November 2015 at 01:31, Ali/amjjawad <amjja...@gnome.org <mailto:amjja...@gnome.org>> wrote:

    Hello Steve and everyone else,

    My apology for the delay but I don't login here when it's the
    weekends. I take 2 days off from everything hoping to recharge and
    think clearly to solve my problems during the week and working at
    home, etc etc. So Sat and Sun are my off days :)

    On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Steve Lorimer
    <steve.lori...@gmail.com <mailto:steve.lori...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        IMHO, I think it is frustratingly difficult to download Ubuntu
        Gnome.


    Appreciate your feedback :)


        Here is how you currently download:

        Google Ubuntu Gnome

            This leads to https://ubuntugnome.org/


        Read the page until you see: *The latest stable release is
        Ubuntu GNOME 15.10.*

            This leads to a blog post:
            https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-15-10-is-released/


        Read until you see: *Get Ubuntu GNOME 15.10. *Click on
        *Download Ubuntu GNOME 15.10*

            This takes you to:
            https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME


        Read until you find *Please use the torrent link to download.
        *Click on that link.

            This takes you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent


        Read until you find *Ubuntu bittorrent files can be found at
        http://releases.ubuntu.com/. *Click on that link.

            This takes you to http://releases.ubuntu.com/


        Find and click on the appropriate link: *Ubuntu GNOME*. Click
        on that link.

            This takes you to
            http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/


        Click *15.10*

            This takes you to
            http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.10/


        Click *release*

            This takes you to
            http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.10/release/


        Find the appropriate file:
        *ubuntu-gnome-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent*

            
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/15.10/release/ubuntu-gnome-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent


        Would it not be reasonable to have a link to the torrent
        directly on the homepage?

        Something like:

            *Download latest version 15.10 via BitTorrent*

            For reasons why bittorrent is best, and other ways to
            download if required, *click here*.


        HTH
        Steve


    IMHO, the way you explained and described it is really hard for
    anyone. Allow me to make life much easier for you and the rest :)

    Let's start from zero:

     1. Open your browser.
     2. Type: ubuntugnome.org <http://ubuntugnome.org> and then press
        Enter.
     3. Go to "Download" tab on the top of the page directly if you're
        willing to download any version without reading anything else
        and find the last link that says "Download Ubuntu GNOME" and
        by the way, the page is short so no need to scroll down a lot
        to reach there anyway *- OR -* simply go directly to:
        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME and I'd
        suggest here to bookmark that very important page.
     4. On the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME
        page, you will find a tree-view links on the right side of the
        page. Click on the version you wish to download and get.
     5. Once you choose which version you need, you will go to the
        desired page. There are 2 pages, one for the Non-LTS and the
        other for LTS releases:
        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME/LTS and
        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME/Non-LTS and
        that's all.

    So, which scenario is easier now? ;)


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    Of course, there is a reason and a very valid one why I haven't
    made it a one-click download. Because people are too lazy to read
    the release notes and then, they rain our mailing list with tons
    of emails complaining ;)

    If you want me to make it one-button download links then please,
    do find some extra hands to help us here!

    Otherwise, it is usually one 3-5 people are active and the rest
    are? no idea ...

    Hope that helps?


-- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."

    Best Regards,
    Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>

    *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME
    <http://ubuntugnome.org/>





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