On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:44 PM Seth Arnold <seth.arn...@canonical.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 10:37:07AM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote: > > In any case, all this formality really is exhausting and I don't care > > to pursue it, since you seem to be saying that I can't call for a DMB > > I've been having this thought a lot the last few years. > > A lot of the Ubuntu structures feel like they may have had a place in the > early days, when there were thousands of enthusiasts all contributing at > once and trying to coordinate how they were going to do all that. > > Now it feels like we've got the ossified remains of a lot of committees > and teams and boards and I just don't know how much of it is still > relevant to the Ubuntu of today. Every piece serves a role so it's not > like I can just point to any one specific thing and say we ought to scrap > it, but I remember watching what felt like dozens of DMB meetings where > not enough members showed up, not enough members voted, and the poor > applicants could go weeks or months (or more?) without an answer. > > That kills enthusiasm. > > I'm sorry that I don't have a solution to recommend but I think I'd like > to suggest that we try stepping back from bureaucracy when opportunities > arise.
Thanks Seth, I think that summarizes my frustrations extremely well. I don't know if I have the energy to step back into working on the DMB, but I am trying to pre-emptively address this with my proposed charter for the backports team (in case you haven't seen it): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Charter Essentially, what I see as absolutely critical to Ubuntu teams is for the team members to focus on the team *mission*, and appoint *one* person as administrator to handle all the administrivia/bureaucracy. The *mission* of the DMB has become completely and totally lost in the needless administration of rules, and that only serves to make the problem worse as the (volunteer!) team members lose interest. I think at this point, the DMB desperately needs a charter, so these team-wide discussions about administration can end, and an administrator to take responsibility (and have authority) to make sure the team makes progress on its mission. > > Thanks > -- > ubuntu-devel mailing list > ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
