[Dropping random extra Ccs; let's not just spam all the lists, please. If you want people on other MLs to be aware of this thread, I think it's sufficient to just send one email to point to it]
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 11:25:48AM -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > When was the last time this was brought up? I don't remember seeing anything > on any public mailing lists, discourse, the fridge, Planet Ubuntu, or even > Ubuntu Weekly News about this. This tells me that it was never brought-up > publicly, aka no call for volunteers. If that's the case, then that's the > failure, not people like me saying it's a bad idea. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-January/040575.html > What I'm saying is that you might be posting to these mailing lists, but > that's not *public enough* to get the attention this needs to drum-up > qualified > volunteers. Not everybody who is qualified is subscribed to these lists. I'm surprised to hear that you think that ubuntu-devel@ isn't a wide enough audience here. Maybe we differ in who we consider qualified? One key aspect of driving a process change like this in Ubuntu is to have a good working knowledge of how Ubuntu development process in this area works already. I'd therefore only consider an existing and experienced Ubuntu developer to be qualified. A successful process reform might mean that other people become qualified to drive backports in the future - and in fact I think we're all agreed that this would be the point of any reform itself. But that's distinct from the set of people qualified to drive the process change itself. If you want to disseminate this discussion more widely in places that you think are relevant, here's your opportunity to do so. > So, yes, I will block a so-called "improvement" when it comes down to > quitting > vs exhausting all other options, because, in my opinion, quitting is not an > option. We'll have to disagree here then. I call again for volunteers to drive reform, but in the absence of anyone qualified actually stepping up, I stand by my position that blocking my proposal is equivalent to demanding that the current damaging status quo remains. Robie
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