Hi Jeremy, On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Jeremy Bicha <jbi...@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On 27 June 2013 10:41, Oliver Ries <oliver.r...@canonical.com> wrote: > > Using Mir as a X compatible system compositor in 14.04 which can host any > > Desktop Environment that is running on X today, will allow all dependent > > Ubuntu derivatives to run on top of this stack in 13.10 and 14.04 without > > any changes needed on their side [1]. Canonical is committed to support > XMir > > for 5 years during the 14.04 lifecycle, which will give derivatives > enough > > time to evaluate the graphics stack landscape and to make informed > decisions > > when they are ready. > > Thanks for the update. I have quite a few questions... > > I was under the understanding that Ubuntu 13.10 would still use > regular X by default (like 13.04) and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS would be using > Unity 8 but it sounds like that's not today's plan. > not with what was communicated with todays roadmap update. Unity 7 will be the default desktop until 14.04, we will then assess whether Unity 8 is ready to become the default. > Like Kubuntu we expect to switch to Wayland in the next year or so. > It's nice to see that the various desktop environment can run on XMir > but I'm still not clear on whether there are any benefits to doing so. > One obvious benefit that comes to mind is getting the stack for free and not having to worry about maintenance. I do acknowledge that there are other costs associated to that (adopting to Mir), but in our opinion, that should be less than maintaining a GFX stack on your own. Canonical will support the Mir stack going forward and we are offering help for upstreams willing to adopt. > How do you expect things to work for users who need proprietary > graphics drivers in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Do the existing NVIDIA and ATI > drivers work with XMir yet? > We are committed to not regress anybody in 14.04, the availability of binary drivers is one major component to that > Mir currently requires LightDM, right? Does XMir also require LightDM? > For Ubuntu GNOME's purposes, LightDM so far doesn't provide quite the > integrated experience GDM does (specifically lockscreen and GNOME > theming; and next year, Wayland support). today, XMir is invoked by LightDM similar to other X session compositors, I don't see a problem doing the same out of GDM. But I leave it to my team to keep me honest here ;) > > Ubuntu will be the first Linux distribution to start replacing X as part > of > > their default configuration. We appreciate your support and patience in > that > > endeavor. > > I think Rebecca Black OS has you beat there. Unless you don't think > Rebecca Black is mainstream enough... > I did some research and apparently missed that, no offense intended > There's a chance that Fedora 20 would be released with Wayland by > default before 14.04 LTS imho there is a difference between a chance of doing it and putting out a roadmap and committing to do it, but I might be nitpicking ;) cheers, Olli
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