> Von: dimitri.led...@surgut.co.uk [mailto:dimitri.led...@surgut.co.uk] Im > > On 11 May 2018 at 16:32, Fiedler Roman <roman.fied...@ait.ac.at> wrote: > > > > > Von: ubuntu-devel [mailto:ubuntu-devel-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Im > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Less and less non-amd64-compatible i386 hardware is available for > > > consumers to buy today from anything but computer part recycling > centers. > > > The last of these machines were manufactured over a decade ago, and > > > support from an increasing number of upstream projects has ended. ... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > We still have a relatively high number if i386 downloads but that doesn't > > > mean users machines are not capable of amd64. For the flavors remaining > > > today on i386 here are some i386 to amd64 ratios for 18.04: > > > > > > Lubuntu cdimage - 0.87 > > > Lubuntu tracker - 0.64 > > > ... > > > > This decision is not only about numbers, but somehow also about ethics. The > number of e.g. wheel-chair users or other disabled persons might not be > relevant for a society/economy in terms of numbers. But we honor the value > of freedom, also for those, who are not that well off than we are. Those would > not be able to participate in the same way, if we would not assist them by > providing support for that minority. > > > > So for the i386 discussion, there might be only two distinct groups of users > worth considering: > > > > a) Those, who cannot afford newer systems due to economical reasons. > > > > b) Those, who do not want to consume more resources due to ethical > considerations (that's the one for me): how many people could fed or how > much CO2 prevented, if all systems were some percent smaller on disk/RAM, > including IT-system production and operation related resource usage? > Wasting resources is also about freedom, as we deprive others who cannot > afford them/fight for them in the same way we can do. > > > > "Consume more resources" is a bit vague. Environmental impact is > correlated with performance-per-watt measurements. That improves with > the newer generation of lithography, better support of newer and more > efficient instruction sets, ability to dynamically clock-down cpu > cores etc...
That would be true when running software on old hardware. That is why at work I prefer them running as i386 guests on current hardware, both kvm mode and as LXC guests. Hardware is standard rack-based servers (generation 2016?). As mentioned by others, RAM power consumption is one major source of energy consumption for low TDP-devices (modern boards like Intel-NUC- low-TDP or embedded i386-processors, mostly for PoS-applications, IoT). For private use on those devices, I only install that amount of RAM, that is really required. For company RAM optimization costs in relation to environmental savings would be far too low for considering adding/removing of RAM. Best regards, Roman -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
