Bryan Quigley schreef op 06-04-16 22:35: > Hi all, > > The naming scheme of just "Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS" is no longer > meaningful when it comes to determining what kernel/mesa/xorg you are > on. It's also confusing to many users what 14.04.4 actually means > and it makes determining if you are supported more difficult [1]. > > I propose for 16.04 we change it so that the HWE# is included in the > version, so it's trivial to determine the support level. > > So for example, if we had done this for 14.04 we would have releases like: > Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS - Everyone up-to-date with stock kernel > Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS HWE15.04 - Out of date with vivid kernel > Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS HWE15.04 - Up-to-date with vivid kernel
Personally I feel that naming scheme is hideous and will confuse even more people. What does HWE even mean? I can look it up, but it is not like it is some kind of well known acronym or abbreviation. (The way I understood it these point releases indeed brought new kernels in addition to something else. The confusion that I experienced was more the weird focus on end-of-support dates that was different for every point release, creating tiers of support that utterly confused me, particularly because the context with other (newer) versions of the distribution was not clear. The idea of point releases bringing new kernels and that "HWE" is not confusing at all. However, if this dramatically is going to change "end of support" dates, then suddenly it is not comprehensible anymore --- did it mean that a getting point release meant less support? What I remember is that the point releases had less support, which is not understandable because they are newer systems. Also if a point release actually means newer versions of all software this is confusing by itself. Creating the ability for new hardware is easy to understand. But if repos for .3 and .4 are going to be entirely different, and now you are going to create 2 dimensions: currency of software, and currency of kernel/HWE and you can mix them at will: that is not helpful. So I would suggest the confusion did not come from the naming scheme. The confusion came from the fact that these varying levels of support were incomprehensible. If anything upgrading to a newer kernel should be recommended and encouraged for the largest part and if anything that should give the benefit of longer support -- since you are up to date now, right? The fact that 14.04.1 is listed at end of life april 2019 and 14.04.2 is listed at august 2016 is just utterly confusing. Changing the naming is not going to help that. If these two components have different EOL you can just say so, I'm not sure if that is the case. So if you wanted some thoughts, my thought is that your proposal here would increase the confusion while not tackling the real issue. Regards. > etc > > This does mean we could decide to provide downloads for both (we do > have some demand for this): > Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS (Stock kernel) > Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS HWE1510 (Wily HWE) > > And now we can differentiate between them in the same way on the > download site as in an installed system. > > Thoughts? > Bryan > > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL > [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
