hi,
Am Montag, den 17.08.2015, 16:46 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:56:34 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> >hi,
> >Am Montag, den 17.08.2015, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> >
> >> Btw. I'm still not used to systemd after using it for around 3 years,
> >> but for my workflow a clean systemd at least is easier to handle,
> >> than the Wily hybrid.
> >>
> >> You might get used to the Wily hybrid systemd within 30 seconds, you
> >> also might get used to a clean systemd within 30 seconds, but Wily
> >> definitively is a mix including init script and wrappers/workarounds
> >> and absolutely _not_ a "Full Systemd Experience".
> >
> >it is an advertised (and desired) systemd upstream feature to provide
> >sysvinit compatibility (like it was in upstart) ... there is nothing
> >messy in it, upstream encourages to use this to allow packages that
> >need a longer transition period to still work, so debian has it
> >enabled (and ubuntu simply inherits it). you can use systemctl on
> >these jobs the same way you can use it on native systemd units, so i
> >dont get where you see any difference in maintenance.
>
> There's noting wrong with providing the shutdown command, but if
> packages install "services" to different locations and as long as there
> are wrappers such as "service" it's a mess.
>
> Since you mention upstream, Ubuntu doesn't care much about upstream by
> splitting packages.
ubuntus upstream is debian in this case ...
> For what reason is
> a package for upstart still available?
upstart is used for desktop sessions and does not provide the
init binary
> Ubuntu's init process isn't transparent, it's a mess.
i dont get how a package split of udev (that comes from debian, nothing
ubuntu has done specifically here) has any influence on the "init
process being a mess" nor do i understand why an upstart package
existing in the archive would have any influence on that either,
sorry ...
the init process in use is working along the upstream recommendations
with providing backwards compatibility to sysvinit until debian has
ported all services over (again, not an ubuntu thing, even though ubuntu
devs help debian with porting single services).
ciao
oli
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