On Thursday, April 11, 2013 06:36:45 PM Brett wrote: > Seeing as this isn't dying anytime soon I'll jump in. > > > Freeing them from what, learning? Granted, the average user isn't > > interested in learning but they would be free to reject the opportunity > > if they so chose. *That's* freedom. > > There is nothing - *nothing* that is stopping anyone from installing > whatever they want on Ubuntu. Canonical are doing the *smart* > engineering decision and officially supports *one* tool that gets the > job done. And the few people that disagree with the tool are more than > welcome to hop on the servers graciously hosted by Canonical to download > other tools. > > I'm shocked that people get their panties in a bunch over this 'give me > more choice!' issue since, as stated before, *one* default program that > gets the job done has always been an Ubuntu policy. > > > I had dumped Ubuntu and gone back to Debian, mostly because of Marvelous > > Mark's autocratic attitude. Just recently decided to try Ubuntu again to > > see what had changed. After reading the attitude that, at least, some of > > the devs display here about determining for the user what's best for > > him/her, I guess I'll settle in with Debian and just lurk on this list. > > So what do you want in an OS? A 16-DVD installer of Ubuntu so that > everyone will be just so happy that we have every single program ever > installed? God forbid we deprive those poor souls of choice. Let's ask > if they want auto-fsck enabled, or automount (because some users won't > want their USB drives automounted, how uncivilized!). > > I'm shocked that people can have this kind of though-process. People > just want to use their goddamn computers - even something as simple as > 'what search engine would you like to use?' distracts and complicates > the computing experience - Just look at Windows. Watch users get so > confused when Windows has eight million dialogues asking users what they > want to do. There's a delicate balance between KDE's > option's-galore-insanity and Gnome's brink-of-stupidity-simplifications. > And Ubuntu's currently the only OS that is sane enough to *mostly* see > this balance (sadly, they're still pulled back by Gnome's methodical > destruction of their frameworks). > > FYI, I'm not a Canonical member nor an Ubuntu member, so don't take my > words as official.
One other point that I think is relevant is that this list is meant for user/developer interactions, but it's required for no one to be here. ubuntu- devel and ubuntu-devel-discuss got split into two lists a long time ago because it was hard to have a reasonable conversation on the old, combined ubuntu-devel. In the past, this list has been a forum for users to flame developers over things they thought had been done wrong. The result of a hostile environment for discussion is that developers unsubscribe. There are a lot fewer subscribed now than there were when the list was first created. If you want there to be a forum where developer and non-developers can regularly interact and discuss issue of interest to both groups, it's incumbent on people to make this list something people want to participate in. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
