Well, chromium is a binary, isn't it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Anthony G Weitekamp <a...@silver-tungsten.com> wrote: > You are surprised? Google makes its money by selling information. It > does not care how the information is obtained, just that it is. Stop > whining and accept the fact that Google, like any other commercial > search engine is spyware. Deal with or avoid it. Read the fine print > in your EULA. > > Tony Weitekamp > > On 5/18/2010 6:00 PM, ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: >> Send Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list submissions to >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> ubuntu-devel-discuss-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> ubuntu-devel-discuss-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-devel-discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (Ryan Oram) >> 2. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (Ryan Oram) >> 3. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (John Moser) >> 4. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (Joe Terranova) >> 5. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (Ryan Oram) >> 6. Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install (Bruno Girin) >> 7. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> (Jonathon Fernyhough) >> 8. Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining (Ryan Oram) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:12:33 -0400 >> From: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktimdcjjkcuvaunhlnecjxg4eiraqsz361xso9...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> "Chrome Incognito Tracks Visited Sites" >> http://www.lewiz.org/2010/05/chrome-incognito-tracks-visited-sites.html >> >> This seems to be becoming a theme. As Chromium has much of the same >> privacy issues as Chrome (SRWare Iron is made from Chromium and the >> code is striped from Chromium), this "feature" is surely in Chromium >> as well. >> >> I find this completely unacceptable. >> >> Thanks, >> Ryan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:22:54 -0400 >> From: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: debian-de...@lists.debian.org, >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktilqlvsii_nb8k_q1gqulqe7x0gxb71-i9h42...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> wrote: >> >>> "Chrome Incognito Tracks Visited Sites" >>> http://www.lewiz.org/2010/05/chrome-incognito-tracks-visited-sites.html >>> >>> This seems to be becoming a theme. As Chromium has much of the same >>> privacy issues as Chrome (SRWare Iron is made from Chromium and the >>> code is striped from Chromium), this "feature" is surely in Chromium >>> as well. >>> >>> I find this completely unacceptable. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ryan >>> >>> >> The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that >> it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good >> indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... >> >> Thanks, >> Ryan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:30:40 -0400 >> From: John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> >> Cc: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com, >> debian-de...@lists.debian.org >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktilc_lxxtq5wmbgehgcdjj4gsnjhc5lgda_4y...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Shut up. You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is >> listening to your monologue. >> >> Apply some critical thinking skills. It's a bug in a special mode of a >> browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies. It's not (known to be) >> sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known. Nobody can >> agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. >> >> I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to >> check if the sun is dying. >> >> On May 18, 2010 1:24 PM, "Ryan Oram"<r...@infinityos.net> wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> wrote:> >> "Chrome Incognito Tracks V... >> The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that >> it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good >> indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... >> >> Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify se... >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/attachments/20100518/b58cf942/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:33:41 -0400 >> From: Joe Terranova<joeterran...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com> >> Cc: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net>, >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com, debian-de...@lists.debian.org >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktil3jmoj07nkxwsstzj8ouweyzlce-oxi1i50...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Don't hold back, John. Tell us how you really feel. >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM, John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Shut up.? You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is >>> listening to your monologue. >>> >>> Apply some critical thinking skills.? It's a bug in a special mode of a >>> browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies.? It's not (known to be) >>> sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known.? Nobody can >>> agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. >>> >>> I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to >>> check if the sun is dying. >>> >>> On May 18, 2010 1:24 PM, "Ryan Oram"<r...@infinityos.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> wrote:> >>> "Chrome Incognito Tracks V... >>> >>> The above seems to be an oversight on Google's part. But the fact that >>> it hasn't been fixed, despite being known for over a month, is a good >>> indicator that Google isn't too concerned about privacy... >>> >>> Thanks, Ryan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >>> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify se... >>> >>> -- >>> Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >>> Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 13:36:19 -0400 >> From: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com>, >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktildfztyiosbutiwwet3jpspedyxxzz0a7j3s...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:30 PM, John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Shut up.? You're whining like a raving politicized lune and nobody is >>> listening to your monologue. >>> >>> Apply some critical thinking skills.? It's a bug in a special mode of a >>> browser, a mode that doesn't store history/cookies.? It's not (known to be) >>> sharing anything with the 'net, so it's innocuous as known.? Nobody can >>> agree on if it even works; or if it does, if it works between sessions. >>> >>> I suppose when a cloud goes in front of the sun you panic and look up to >>> check if the sun is dying. >>> >> Towards the end, everyone was picking up the bug. >> >> Yes, it's a little detail. But it's one that can be be easily picked >> up by any trojan or tracking software. It completely defeats the >> purpose of the Incognito mode, which is to prevent any of this >> information to be stored. >> >> Thanks, >> Ryan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:52:34 +0100 >> From: Bruno Girin<brunogi...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install >> To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID:<1274208754.1552.80.ca...@nuuk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 15:18 +0200, Aur?lien Naldi wrote: >> >>> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Shane Fagan >>> <shanepatrickfa...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I forgot to mention this at the session for default app selection but >>>> can we remove Open Office Draw from the default ubuntu install? The >>>> reasons are quite obvious it just isnt any good and I dont think any of >>>> the regular users actually use it. >>>> >>> This probably deserves some discussion. I'm not a huge fan or >>> openoffice in general for various reasons but it seems to be the best >>> free software available for a wide audience (LaTeX, R and other great >>> tools are way too specialised and techie). >>> Back to OOo draw: it seems to me that it is just impress without the >>> effect parts and as such I don't think it uses much space. For the >>> record I do use it (mostly to do simple drawings, export them as pdf >>> and insert them into latex document, so I guess I'm not the main >>> target here...). >>> >> I agree with this and I would like to add a few extra points. >> >> OOo Draw is not the best standalone vector drawing tool around, that's >> true. On the other hand, it's one of the most accessible for casual >> users and it is also the best tool when you use it as part of the OOo >> suite, in collaboration with OOo Writer, Impress or Calc. For instance, >> I use OOo Draw all the time to produce diagrams that I subsequently >> include into OOo Writer documents (that generally end up as Word or PDF >> docs). OOo Draw provides the simplest workflow for that type of usage, >> which I encounter all the time in business environments. >> >> So when it comes to Shane's statement "it just isnt any good", I'd say >> it depends from what point of view. If you are a graphic artist, indeed >> you need a more elaborate tool and you probably expect to have to >> download such a specialist tool. If you are a business or home user who >> just wants to include the occasional drawing into a word processing >> document, OOo Draw is exactly what you need. Also note that OOo Draw has >> its quirks but once you understand how things work (such as the colour >> palette management), it is actually quite good. I first used it under >> duress because it was the only tool that supported the workflow I needed >> and I had low expectations but I have been pleasantly surprised along >> the way. >> >> One last that point I want to make it that removing OOo Draw from the >> default install would mean that you would no longer have a vector >> drawing tool in the default install (apart from OOo Impress but that >> would be misusing it to do a job it's not really designed to do, in the >> same way that thousands of Windows users routinely misuse Powerpoint to >> include drawings in their documents because they don't have any real >> vector drawing package at their disposal). >> >> In conclusion, I think OOo Draw fits well in the Ubuntu application >> ecosystem and deserves to be installed by default because it provides >> casual users with an adequate drawing package that works out of the box, >> is reasonably intuitive to use and integrates well with the rest of the >> office suite. >> >> >> >>> I don't mind installing extra software so removing it would be OK for >>> me, but only if it does allow a huge space gain, which I doubt (the >>> size of the .deb isn't a good hint here as impress is tiny and depends >>> on draw). >>> >> I agree to that too. And I think that the benefits of removing it >> without crippling Impress are too small compared to the downsides of >> doing so (namely: working out how to de-couple it from Impress and not >> break anything as well as the reasons detailed above). >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:55:38 +0100 >> From: Jonathon Fernyhough<j.fernyho...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: Ubuntu Dev-Discuss<ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktimtf3g3r6bbowf4hsgg4zdppuqhtyqkfb_ui...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On 18 May 2010 01:15, Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> wrote: >> >>> http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php >>> >>> This should become a full open source project with a community behind >>> it. With Mozilla disregarding H.264, the community needs a full >>> browser capable of H.264 video playback without the privacy issues of >>> Chrome. >>> >>> >> Unless things have changed, Chromium does not include the tracking >> features of the branded Chrome. Hence, Chromium is fine. Plus it has >> the benefit of already being a full open source project. >> >> >>> We need to "Iceweasel" Chromium. >>> >>> >> Why? Are there distribution restrictions on Chromium? In any event, >> Ubuntu distributes Firefox. Maybe talk to Debian? >> >> >>> I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, >>> >> So you and one other? >> >> >>> but I would like >>> the help and support of the Ubuntu community. >>> >>> >> To build and package Chromium? That's already being done for Maverick, >> and there are PPA channels for Release, Beta and Daily builds. >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> Ryan >>> >>> >> Good luck. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:00:52 -0400 >> From: Ryan Oram<r...@infinityos.net> >> Subject: Re: SRWare Iron: Chromium without the data-mining >> To: Jonathon Fernyhough<j.fernyho...@gmail.com>, >> ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com >> Message-ID: >> <aanlktikwdhu08mmoz4f50szx1bhpqt26kaotxh5rl...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Jonathon Fernyhough >> <j.fernyho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Unless things have changed, Chromium does not include the tracking >>> features of the branded Chrome. Hence, Chromium is fine. Plus it has >>> the benefit of already being a full open source project. >>> >> It doesn't include everything, but it does include a lot of it. This >> is outlined on the SRWare website. SRWare went through and removed all >> of the offending code, so perhaps it would be best if Ubuntu/Debian >> went and talked to them about officially packaging SRWare Iron for >> inclusion into the Ubuntu and Debian distributions. SRWare Iron has >> released source code as well, although it appears to be out of date. >> >> >>> Why? Are there distribution restrictions on Chromium? In any event, >>> Ubuntu distributes Firefox. Maybe talk to Debian? >>> >> I've posted this on the debian-devel mailing list as well. This was >> posted out of a concern that Canoncial is thinking about switching >> over to Chromium in later releases as Lubuntu has done already. I have >> seen articles of this possibility as well. I don't feel making >> Chromium the default browser is appropriate until the privacy issues >> are addressed. I also feel that taking care these issues before a >> switch to Chromium is even seriously considered is beneficial to >> everyone. >> >> >>>> I'm willing to put the infinityOS team behind this, >>>> >>> So you and one other? >>> >> I have a team of about 5 people at the moment. My team is certainly >> small, which would prevent us from taking a more central role in such >> a project, but we would be more than willing to help package it and >> test it. >> >> >>>> but I would like >>>> the help and support of the Ubuntu community. >>>> >>>> >>> To build and package Chromium? That's already being done for Maverick, >>> and there are PPA channels for Release, Beta and Daily builds. >>> >> As infinityOS is based on the Ubuntu codebase and will stay that way, >> whatever benefits Ubuntu will benefit infinityOS as well. As I have >> said in prior posts, we intend to give back whatever we take. We have >> an obligation to contribute to the Ubuntu community, as infinityOS >> would not be possible without its great amount of work. >> >> We would be more than willing to assist in a project to alleviate the >> privacy concerns of Chromium. >> >> >>> Good luck. >>> >>> >> Thank you, >> Ryan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss >
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