I just filed a bug against the 64-bit Karmic (9.10) server edition on bugs.launchpad.net and noticed that the process appears to have regressed considerably.
First of all, there is no longer any clear indication on the front page of bugs.launchpad.net about how one goes about filing a bug, even when logged in. While I understand that developers want people to use apport (more on this in a moment) it would be nice to have a simple, brief description explaining how to file a bug which does not involve reading an entire manual (e.g. "(Read our guide or take a tour)"). But OK, fair enough, go to project home (launchpad.net), and select the Ubuntu project. Now I do see a big label entitled "Report a Bug", clicking on which takes me to a lengthy advertisement for Apport. Um, OK, apport is a great idea, but if I could or wanted to use Apport I WOULD HAVE DONE SO -- that's why I'm on f'ing bugs.launchpad.net! The server system I'm filing a bug for doesn't have any X packages installed and is in a location far away. I only access it using ssh, hence can't use the graphical interfaces described in the ReportingBugs documentation. However, I do need to file a bug, so continue to spin my wheels skimming over information that is completely irrelevant. At some point I find: ---------------------------------- If you can't file your report from the menu, for example: * You're using the Server Edition * The application doesn't have the appropriate menu item * The application won't start at all * Your problem is not related to an application but is an infrastructure component, such as the Linux kernel or graphics subsystem You can still help us by using ubuntu-bug. --------------------------------- Oh really? Suppose, being a somewhat expert user, I happen to know exactly what package I'm filing the bug against, exactly what distribution I'm running, and exactly what I want to say in the bug report to simplify the process of getting the bug triaged -- how does ubuntu-bug help with that? Some anonymous bug report filed against a package which is not actually crashing would appear to be somewhat less than helpful. Of course I could be missing something, but just typing ubuntu-bug samba followed by selecting "Send Report" with 0.0 feedback as to what is being sent and with no ability to state what the bug actually is appears completely useless to me. Finally, many pages later I find what I'm looking for: the new and improved way of filing bugs on launchpad.net, by using the link http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect So what's my gripe now? How about a field allowing me to specify that this bug applies to a *particular* Ubuntu distribution, rather than one single textfield and a way to upload an attachment? One would think that we've learned this lesson by now: stymying expert users in order to simplify the process for neophytes is not the way to go about "fixing" linux. Why not continue to have a decent way for people who know what they're doing to file bugs on bugs.launchpad.net while ALSO having apport available for people who fear the command line more than death? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss