This issue is a good candidate for the (underused) Community Bug
Reporting area in Launchpad.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+filebug

Can someone summarize and log it there?

Cheers,
Randall
Ubuntu Vancouver LoCo
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:22:12 -0400
> From: Martin Owens <docto...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Reviving the Marketing Team (yet
>       again!) with  a focus on simple activism
>
> Hey John,
>
> On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 10:46 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
>
>   
>> It saddens me because Ubuntu is a dominant product that could be so
>> much more if the grassroots movement would allow itself to have
>> direction.  But after years of infighting in politics and other open
>> source products, I didn't have the constitution to go toe to toe with
>> the embedded members of our community here who were putting up a
>> fight.
>>     
>
> Could you identify these people? would it be possible to get a meeting
> in IRC and hash out your concerns with an arbitrator/moderator?
>
> I haven't seen much stubborn, I've only seen lack of man power. If only
> there was someone to fight, at least that'd be more interesting than the
> tumbleweeds.
>
>   
>> My feeling is that the only way this will ever change is with the
>> direction of Canonical.  Until that time, we will continue to get our
>> collective rears handed to us by companies that have the discipline
>> and cohesive message necessary to establish any sort of mainstream
>> market awareness or saturation.
>>     
>
> Ah, we're not a business, we're a community, it's not exactly the same.
> And it's not like we don't have a certain vision, we just don't have a
> good leadership for this section of the community.
>
> Martin,
>
>
>
>   



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