You're *seriously* trying to make the argument that a build tool--especially the one that is due to replace Ant--isn't essential to Java developers? [Alvin files John Moser's name in the list of people NEVER to hire as a developer...]
On 10/15/2009 01:29 PM, John Moser wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Dustin Kirkland<kirkl...@ubuntu.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Moser<john.r.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alvin Thompson >>> <al...@thompsonlogic.com> wrote: >>>> First, as a Java developer I hope this doesn't happen as Maven is pretty >>>> much required for Java development (at least in the U.S.). >>> >>> I laughed. >>> >>> Your pet project is NOT "pretty much required for X" in any global >>> scope. I've hardly seen any Java shops, and the ones I did... well >>> I've never seen Maven. Most of the bigger shops are moving to the >>> next buzzword anyway: .NET (why the hell do people do this?) >> >> Hi John- >> >> I'm not a Java developer, but I certainly know of Maven. It is as >> essential to Java programmers as Make is to C programmers. >> > > I think he's overstating the popularity and necessity of a particular > package, to a large degree. There are plenty of Java programs in > Ubuntu; with Maven being dropped, they should all cease to build, and > also be dropped (imagine dropping gmake). Unless, of course, Maven > isn't really essential to anything. > > I could state that a LiveCD build of Nexuiz is essential to a > successful Linux build, because everyone wants to play FPS games and > we can't have a real operating system if you can't just reboot your > computer onto a cleanroom disc with Nexuiz in it. While Nexuiz does > exist, and is fun, it's hardly essential for anything (even flexing > Ubuntu as a gaming platform), and a LiveCD boot to run a single > application is obviously just a pet project of mine. > > I will continue to laugh at people who present anything with *a* user > base as something *essential* to an *entire* class of users, unless it > obviously is and thus dropping it would horribly break Ubuntu's > functionality or drastically alter the user experience for the entire > install base (i.e. libc-dev for C programmers, OpenOffice.org-Writer > or Firefox getting dropped, etc). Something only used by a subset of > a subset of the userbase isn't "required" for that whole subset to > function, just the further subset thereof. > > Again, case in point, if Ubuntu drops Maven and suddenly every Java > application fails to build on the BS, then Maven is "required" for > Java programming. > >> I can't weigh in on the discussion about removing Maven, but I don't >> think it's appropriate to attack Alvin for stating his support of >> Maven in Ubuntu. >> >> :-Dustin >> -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
