Hi Eero, I'm excited to hear from you and that you're interested in working with Xubuntu. You make some excellent points and I most certainly will take advantage of your expertise! :)
Give me a shout the next time you're on IRC. Thanks, Cody On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Thursday 27 March 2008, Jim Campbell wrote: > > I'd first like to start off this e-mail by announcing the Xubuntu > > community meeting was a *huge* success. We had roughly two dozen people > > take part (including old, current, and new faces) and a number of other > > individuals who sent in e-mails or left a quick IRC message to let us > > know that they were unable to attend but would be following up with much > > interest. After just under an hour of constructive discussion led by > Jono > > Bacon and several free form votes, I'm happy to present following > mission > > statement for Xubuntu: > > > > "To produce an easy to use distribution, based on Ubuntu, using Xfce > > as the graphical desktop, with a focus on integration, usability and > > performance, with a particular focus on low memory footprint. The > > integration in Xubuntu is at a configuration level, a toolkit level, and > > matching the underlying technology beneath the desktop in Ubuntu. > Xubuntu > > will be built and developed as part of the wider Ubuntu community, based > > around the ideals and values of Ubuntu." > > Level of integration and especially usability can often be subjective > matters, but sometimes it's very clear which of the alternatives is better > in these respects. > > However, performance and memory usage are something which can be > measured[1]. I think having them in the goals requires specifying what > kind > of test-cases and tools&measurements should be used to evaluate them. > I.e. decisions related to them should be based on facts, not rubbish like > "I feel gnome libs are heavy...". > > Maemo "Quality Awareness" document could be looked for examples: > > http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/quality_awareness.html > > > [1] Some performance metrics: > - system & desktop startup time[2] > - system & desktop memory usage[2] > - application startup time > - application responsiveness > - application memory usage > - how application CPU & memory usage correlates to its data size i.e. > scalability (e.g. archiver memory usage in relation to archive size) > - power usage (wakeups and polling can affect laptop battery usage > dramatically, but this is getting important also for servers and > desktops) > - performance over network (for LTSP setups) > > There are tools to measure and analyze all of these, some can be a bit > hard > to use though. Anyway, it needs to be prioritized what kind of > performance > Xubuntu cares about. Is power usage important? What about LTSP stuff? > In what amount of memory (most) applications should work? > > Also, if some non-gnome app initially takes less memory, but with larger > sets of data takes significantly more memory than the gnome-variant, I > don't > feel it's the right one for Xubuntu. > > [2] System part comes from Ubuntu and has unfortunately pretty large > effect > on these measurements. > > > [...] > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Xubuntu_2008-03-26. > > "19:19 meborc i believe the main fight was in either including or > excluding some gnome applications... this should also be somehow said in > the statement!" > > Well, to me it seemed that the main issue of "the fight" was that > the changes were not: > - presented to community before hand so that they could comment on what > issues the changes would/could have, what changes would be needed in > documentation, support etc > - reasoned (until the reasoning for them had been asked for many times) > - backed up with facts about actual performance/memory usage improvements > > > "19:30 cody-somerville IMHO, I don't think we have the expertise to have > a > focus on performance." > > I can help here. I don't run Xubuntu myself currently, but I have a lot > of > experience on this area (what tools to use, when and how to interpret > the results), please use it. > > > "19:36 j1mc i get the feeling that, if we have a leader, that they > will > likely have the final say on some technical matters, and that everyone > might not agree with their perspective, but that is part of having a > leader." > > I wouldn't go as far as to say that they have the final say, instead they > should have a veto on changes that: > - haven't been presented to community for commenting, > - don't contain enough/valid reasoning or > - aren't aligned with the Xubuntu goals or (after presentation) the > majority > of the community. > > The leader facilitates this kind of decision making and makes sure that > the project goals and members are respected. If the community cannot > produce > a decision with his guidance, he has the final decision, but I think this > is > usually an indication that the matter should be postponed until there's > more > information or better design (or in current case, more focused vision > :-)). > > > - Eero > > -- > xubuntu-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel >
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