I know I was defending Transmission, but I just had a bad experience with it, checked on their forums, and it seems to be a fairly common thing.
I don't normally turn off my computer when I'm downloading something big, but yesterday I was downloading a torrent which was coming rather slowly, and decided I'd continue in the morning. I closed transmission properly, and shut down. Upon reopening Transmission it had lost most of the 350mb I had downloaded, it had only managed to preserve 20. As I said, there are other people complaining about this on their forums. So, while I prefer the look and feel of Transmission, I've now started using deluge... I agree with Remco in that it would be perfectly adequate to simply have a dialogue prompting to install a torrent handler, as we now do with certain audio-video codecs. After all, if you're torrenting, you must have a net connection. On Feb 8, 2008 5:10 PM, A. Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 7, 2008 7:46 PM, Remco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I noticed I didn't actually send this to the list... here it is. > > > > Remco > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Remco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Feb 6, 2008 3:33 AM > > Subject: Re: Transmission as default bittorrent client > > To: Bryan Quigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2008 2:44 AM, Bryan Quigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My initial reaction was similar. However, in transmissions favor > > > Memory usage (quick test) > > > Deluge at 23 Mb > > > Transmission at 7 Mb > > > > > > The interface also seems more transitional from the previous > integrated > > > client. I think one of the big factors is that deluge has a wizard to > get > > > you setup while transmission just works. > > > > It's true that Deluge has a wizard (which you can skip if you really > > want). However, two of these settings are very important: Maximum > > Upload Speed and Maximum Connections. If you don't set a maximum > > upload speed, your download speed will plummet, and you'll have > > trouble reaching websites. And many cheap routers crash when they have > > to deal with the amount of connections bittorrent-traffic usually > > consists of. Not setting these right will make an app Just Not Work > > (tm). > > > > If there is consensus on which misfeatures really kill the chance of > > Deluge becoming the default app, I could direct the Deluge-devs to > > these concerns. Due to Deluge's modular architecture, anything can be > > moved from default to plugin. > > > > So far, I've seen: > > * High memory usage. > > * High file size. > > * Obscure features that should be a plugin. > > * Wizard-based configuration over sane-default. > > > > I've run Transmission, and one thing I like is that it chooses a > > random port, and opens it with NAT traversal. No configuration > > required. The rest of the application is too limited for my taste. > > With Deluge I can easily extend the features by selecting a few > > plugins. I think file size could be reduced by actually not including > > the plugins by default. > > > > I think, if the Deluge-devs would want to resolve these concerns, > > Deluge would be a far better choice. > > * It's more popular. > > * It has features people need that Transmission misses. > > * It's easily extendable. > > * It looks like µTorrent & Azureus. > > * It runs on Mac & Windows (helps acceptance by slow migration). > > > > > > Remco > > -- > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > > > To be honest, I don't see the need to include a Bittorrent client by > default at all; it's always going to be this kind of war: "My client's > better and I'll tell you why". I think if Ubuntu's going to include > one at all (and waste the CD space on it for those users who don't > know what a torrent is, never used it before, and maybe never will), > it should be one that's small, wasting as little space as possible, > and extremely simple to use. Gnome-BT fit that bill, but is completely > unmaintained. The next rung up the ladder is Transmission (and even > the developer of Gnome-BT acknowledges this: > http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/ ). > > Even if you disagree with the client, don't like it, don't use it, it > doesn't matter: as soon as you install Ubuntu, you're going to choose > your favorite client anyway. But you're not the average case here. > BitTorrent is widely accepted amongst some circles, especially us, the > Free Software world, as it's a great way to distribute new versions of > our software. It's not as widely accepted outside of our world: your > mother would probably look at you cross-eyed if you told her to > "download the latest version of Ubuntu with BitTorrent." In the latter > case, Transmission wins that hands down. > > Continuing this discussion ad nauseum may make you feel better, but I > don't think it's likely to change much. The situation is, Ubuntu is > for Human Beings, not just geeks and torrenters. The Deluge packages > are in the archives, anyone who's upset about Transmission can easily > go grab a different client, and Synaptic/apt-cache brings up a whole > list of them to choose from. Everyone's got an opinion on this one, > which is why it's probably best to stick with the absolute bare > minimum (or none at all, I'm hugely in favor of saving the CD space > for other, more important things, and letting someone double click a > "Torrent" file and have a nice dialog pop up saying "You currently do > not have a handler registered for file type "Torrent", would you like > to install a program that manages these files?"). But then again it's > probably just easier to ship Transmission, especially when that > average human model's not going to have a clue which torrent client to > pick out of the lineup, and in the likely case they'd actually want to > use it, they just want to download something and get it over with. > > 2c. > -A. 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