Patrick wrote: > indeed I am unsure of how to contribute. > > It would seem that I could take the prize for both the longest and most > poorly written emails as the feedback I am receiving is disconnected > from the message I was sending. > > To summarize my long winded emails: > > Ubuntu is the ultimate OS for the power user, programmer and System > administrator.This is what needs to be promoted. > > Something like a helper script is badly needed but a post installation > script is basically the same thing, no need to re-invent the wheel, it's > better to improve whats already there. > > Most post installation scripts are turned off by default, they should > not be. > > The post installation scripts are not very accessible. The configure > option should also be available under the right click in synaptic. > > The post installation scripts should have more of a tutorial element to > them. > > The post installation scripts should be divided up between programmers > and tutorial writers. > > The tutorial element should be written by users that were recipients of > the first ones, not by long time Linux experts who are disconnected from > the experiences of a new user. > > I want to help write these post installation script tutorials. > > I apologize for contradicting myself on the documentation issue. The > documentation that is written is already excellent. The only problem > with it is that some users, like me, may get confused as to what is > Ubuntu specific and what is Linux specific, they are not always the same > as my manual compiling experience taught me. A Synaptic like search > repository within the OS that pointed outwards to Ubuntu specific online > documentation would be helpful. > > -Patrick > > > Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > >> On Nov 20, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Patrick wrote: >> >>> ... >>> We should be putting forth what Ubuntu can do that Windows cannot. It >>> is the ability to set up so many services and customize so many >>> things that makes it amazing. Most of this still needs to be done at >>> the terminal though. People need to be able to use it's rich set of >>> features without so much suffering. >>> >>> All of my suggestions seem to be rebuffed and the general feedback I am >>> getting is that everything is already the way it needs to be. >>> ... >>> >> I think the problem is that you're unclear about how you want to >> contribute. >> >> You proposed helper terminal scripts for setting up server functions, >> and then you said perhaps it wasn't a good idea after all. >> >> You said the post-install scripts should be better, and Onno invited >> you to report bugs about specific problems. Have you? >> >> You said the help and support could be better, I invited you to join >> the documentation team, and then you said "I don't think it is lacking >> in terms of the casual user" and "I am not having trouble searching >> for documentation". >> >> You suggested running usability tests, I invited you to do just that, >> and then you said it would be difficult to find representative test >> subjects. (True, but it's just as difficult for almost anyone else.) >> >> Forgive us if we're running out of ideas for how you can help. :-) >> Writing mailing list messages does not, in itself, improve Ubuntu. >> >> Cheers >> > > > it is true, Linux has everything you need if you don´t mind to edit some configuration files and spent a day or two to figure out the things you want to accomplish OR if somebody already made a simple interface for you to use it or pre-configured it. Ubuntu is made with the ¨no-brainer klik-klak power-user¨ in mind and i must say they already came a long way when it comes to the desktop but it is still lacking in the server department.
if you want to start contributing you will need to find a small personal itch, something that bothers you and you need to see improved, you were talking about setting up vsftpd as a first troublesome experience so that would be a nice start, some script might do it indeed but maybe it would be good to have a look at ebox for example that is in development to become a part ubuntu (think they are working for Hardy), it is something that will strengthen the easy ubuntu experience on the server side, so you might want to have a look there, is FTP already a standard option in ebox? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
