Wow !!!! rarely have I read comments as out of touch as those made by Simon Lugi. He is to be forgiven, as a recent convert to Linux / Ubuntu he can not be expected to know the history. First "Linux" is not a company, and Ubuntu is a product developed by many hands, mostly as "free" input. Marketing is Microsofts' specialty, NOT programming. MS spends perhaps $1billion USD annually to promote products. The company Canonical, spends something, (see: Support Services | Canonical<http://www.canonical.com/services/support>) on marketing, and please keep in mind that Canonical/Ubuntu is only ONE of the Linux companies, See : Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva, OR: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. <http://distrowatch.com/> But Simon is, importantly, a convert ! Perhaps he would describe me as a "GEEK" (I'm not) 50 years dealing with computers (yes fifty). Extensive background relating to various systems. usually have 5 working systems on hand. using Linux for 7-8 years. To Simon: I have set up Ubuntu systems for people, that work very well, and tell them "use, but don't touch". Think Cyber-cafe. Linux was designed for* anyone*. Microsoft Windows was designed to create profit. The Linx community is NOT competing with Microsoft nor Apple. *Monetary profit is NOT the goal.* Serious player ??? An issue to be addressed. But the truth ?? If you will accept it, Microsoft Corp., is on a self-destruct path. Some proof starts here :GROKLAW <http://www.groklaw.net/index.php> Simon, Ubuntu is "FREE", but it comes with a price tag, namely do your own thinking, choose your own path. How many decisions did you have to make using UBUNTU ? In truth there are too many !. Look at "Synaptic Package manager". Welcome to Ubuntu, a free system that will heavily tax you. perhaps "Ira Levin"author of: "This Perfect Day" saw this coming. regards, Allen (allengg on the forums)
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Simon Lugi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I stumbled upon this forum a few days ago and have been reading through > this discussion with great interest and decided to add my 5c worth. > I would describe my self as a non computer geek who has started using > Ubuntu recently (4 months ago) partially out of curiosity and partially > because I felt ripped off by Microsoft. I thoroughly enjoy using Ubuntu and > really hope one day Ubuntu or any other OS will seriously challenge Windows > dominance. However the reality is all Linux OS are still very far from > becoming serious contenders. > > Just because a product works, is stable and has a number of features that > its competition does not have, does not mean it will be successful. It takes > a lot more. Some earlier writers have pointed to the success of Firefox, > however there is a huge difference between a web browser and an OS. > Purely based on personal observations and what I pick up from literature it > really looks like Linux OS's are designed for computer geeks and people like > me who like to fiddle. That is the market segment that Linux caters for, > which at best will probably never exceed 10% of the global market. There are > dozens of other market segments each with their own needs. Some of the > biggest market segments are gaming and multimedia which can be further > broken down into video and audio. > > What Microsoft has managed to do over the years is to make Windows so > prevalent in the market, that the majority of users these day probably > cannot even distinguish between the OS and the applications they use (my > teenage sons certainly couldn't until I introduced them to Ubuntu). Even > the people that I have spoken to in the IT industry could not be > bothered learning about other OS, because there is no reason. > > The point I am trying to make is if Ubuntu's intention is to become a > serious market player the development really has to be planned and > managed as a business with some very significant financial investment. > The plan needs to start with some clear goals and objectives. Then there > needs to be marketing plans. Someone as successful as Mark Shuttleworth > will no doubt be familiar with the 4P's of the marketing mix. At this > stage Ubuntu only has one P in place and that is Price. (its free). The > other 3P's, Product, Place and People are not ready for the global > market. > > I am sure you all get the picture. > Who's game to start on this new venture ?? > > -- > Microsoft has a majority market share > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > > Status in Computer Science Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in Ichthux - Linux for Christians: Confirmed > Status in JAK LINUX: Confirmed > Status in The OpenOffice.org Suite: Confirmed > Status in Launchpad Translations: Invalid > Status in Tabuntu: Confirmed > Status in Ubuntu: Confirmed > Status in "bum" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in "casper" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in "djplay" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in "firefox" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in "ubuntu-express" source package in Ubuntu: Invalid > Status in The Breezy Badger: Invalid > Status in The Dapper Drake: Invalid > Status in Baltix GNU/Linux: Confirmed > Status in "linux" source package in Debian: Confirmed > Status in Tilix Linux: New > > Bug description: > Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace. > This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix. > > Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, > restricting access to IT to a small part of the world's population and > limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, > globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. > > Steps to repeat: > > 1. Visit a local PC store. > > What happens: > 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > -- http://picasaweb.google.com/allenggraham/Mazatlan -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
