to follow up, I eventually got this working by running mdetect -v I discovered that if mdetect finds nothing it defaults to intellimouse on psaux (on my mobo ymmv) replacing the mouse then gave me the output /dev/ttyS0 microsoft which can be used to edit (copy old version first I ended up with no x at all once) /etc/X11/xorg.conf hopefully this will help someone else PS mdetect is now in dapper 6.06
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