to follow up, I eventually got this working by running
mdetect -v
I discovered that if mdetect finds nothing it defaults to intellimouse on psaux 
(on my mobo ymmv)
replacing the mouse then gave me the output
/dev/ttyS0
microsoft
which can be used to edit (copy old version first I ended up with no x at all 
once)
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
hopefully this will help someone else
PS mdetect is now in dapper 6.06

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Serial mice are not autodetected
https://launchpad.net/bugs/9068

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