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On 2020-01-28T09:58:23+00:00 Lonnie Lee Best wrote:

Currently, when you install Kubuntu 19.10 onto a computer that has
multiple monitors, KDE only puts panels onto the default monitor and the
user has to add panels to all additional monitors.

I want to make my case that this should NOT be the default practice.

I think all panels, that are visible in a one-monitor setup, should also
be on each and every additional monitor until they are decidedly remove.
I'll make my case with the "Application Menu Panel" alone, but I have
the same opinion for all other panels.

Because KDE doesn't put an Application Menu Panel onto each monitor, the
new KDE user will not know how to access an Application's main menu if
they have the window open on one of the additional monitors. For new
users of KDE, like myself, it is very clear that the burden of
customization should be on the advanced user and not the new user. The
advanced KDE user will know instantly how to remove an unwanted panel,
but the new user is burdened with a task that is way more difficult than
removing an unwanted panel: learning what panels are, learning the names
of each type of panel, dealing with bad panel creation workflow
(explained below in #4).

Please let me help you see this from the eyes of a new user who has an
application open on one of the additional monitors in a multi-monitor
setup.

1) First I looked at the top of the application window and didn't see
the application's main menu where I'd expected it to be (either in that
window's title bar, or at the top of the entire monitor's screen).

2) I hit the alt-key (a common MS shortcut), hoping that the
Application's main menu was just hidden and that alt would bring it up.

3) I had to do an internet search and learn about panels in KDE and then
proceed to create my first panel.

4) When I right-clicked on the additional monitor's desktop and selected
Panel > Application Menu, nothing happened on the vary monitor I did
this on, instead (outside of my eye's focus) it added an additional
Application Menu panel to the default monitor (which already has an
Application Menu Panel), and worse: it added it on top of the existing
Application Menu panel that was already on that monitor (making it
practically invisible that anything had occurred)!

Now, I ask you this. Is this the type of user experience that produces
new user adoption?

Wouldn't it be better to put all the panels, that are on the default
monitor, onto each and every additional monitor by default? Put the
burden of customization onto the advanced user (the one who already know
how to do it). After all, the burden of removing a panel is easier that
creating and customizing a new one from scratch (especially for a new
user who doesn't even know what a "panel" is). You don't need to put
this burden onto the new user who can't access the main menu of an
application their using because it is simply open within and additional
monitor.

Who on the KDE development team thinks this is an acceptable default
behavior (to not make the "main menu of an application" accessible until
you create and customize a panel onto that monitor)?

I love that KDE is so customizable, but you guys need to couple that
richness with sensible defaults and this is an area that is not sensible
(to the new user)!

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.10
Package: kubuntu-desktop 1.387
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.3.0-29.31-generic 5.3.13
Uname: Linux 5.3.0-29-generic x86_64
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu8.2
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: KDE
Date: Tue Jan 28 03:13:51 2020
InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-27 (1 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
ProcEnviron:
 TERM=xterm-256color
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=<set>
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: kubuntu-meta
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

Downstream Report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1861088

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-
meta/+bug/1861088/comments/2

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On 2020-01-28T10:08:03+00:00 Lonnie Lee Best wrote:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1206280/kde-show-app-menus-on-all-
displays

Reply at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-
meta/+bug/1861088/comments/3


** Changed in: kdelibs
       Status: Unknown => New

** Changed in: kdelibs
   Importance: Unknown => Medium

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