Well Raymond that was short lived.  I had a feeling that posting this issue in 
the Kernel bug area was going to go nowhere.
I think what needs to be done is try to pull some ALSA devs and some Pulseaudio 
devs into this issue.  One minute it looks as if it is a ALSA issue then the 
next a Pulseaudio issue.  This is why I feel that there should be only one 
audio package running within any distro.  I can't think of any OS that I have 
dealt with in the past  years that has to use two packages to produce one audio 
stream.
I tried to bring David into this , but apparently he is busy with something or 
considered this a non audio  issue as how others have been treating it  for the 
past few years.
 I gather from the posts up in the kernel bug that the audio is not supposed to 
work the way it has been working here before 13.10, that does not make a bit of 
sense.  If I did not have 13.10 all tweaked out and runing nice and smooth, I 
would just can 13.10 and go back to 12.04.x LTS or wait until 14.04 is released

I am just totally baffled here.

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