I'm obviously confused about the jack colors ): However, examining general sound equipment usage:
Line-out *shouldn't be amplified*. Speaker-out should. Line-out should be used by people who have dedicated amplifiers (ie, me: I should be using it, but I don't -- I haven't stumbled across not having a line-out on my current hardware because I like having the volume control "just work". I do, however, remember jacking into the wrong port on a prior card (I think it was an SB) and getting a very low volume with no amp, finding out it was line-out and switching to speaker-out). Speaker-out should be used for simple speakers which require amplification or lazy people like me who like using software volume controls. So it wouldn't surprise me, since I've obviously gotten the colors wrong (or misread things) that most audio cards don't have a real line-out -- they just have a speaker-out. So, whilst I'm certainly not picking a fight with you (since this is apparently an upstream decision), I can still come back to my original points: 1) headphones muting the speakers used to work pre-9.04 (so we have an established user expectation even under Ubuntu) 2) headphones mute the built-in speakers of my laptop (windows and ubuntu) -- why the inconsistent behaviour for a desktop? Just because the speakers in the laptop are bolted into the frame of the machine? What an arbitrary 3) Windows gets it right: plugging in headphones mutes external speakers -- it's convenient. Though I think you can disable that feature if you want. I'm told by a person at work that his Mac does the same. 4) It seems to be the expectation of the user -- note the number of bug reports against this design choice. Again, I'm really not fighting with you on this -- picking a fight with you would be kinda pointless here (: However, I would like to ask you for some help: where would I lodge this as a request upstream? ALSA devs? It's easy to report an ubuntu bug/request with apport -- not so easy to know what to do if the problem isn't Ubuntu-specific. I don't mind taking this further -- there seems to be enough general confusion over the matter that there might actually be some consideration put into my request (or am I just being naive and optimistic?) Thanks -d On 7 October 2010 11:07, David Henningsson <655...@bugs.launchpad.net>wrote: > Um, light blue is line-in, not line-out. > I'm not sure if I have ever seen a "speaker out" and if so, I don't > remember what color it had. > > -- > [ALC888 - HDA ATI SB] Headphones don't mute master sound > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/655351 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber > of the bug. > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The competent programmer is fully aware of the limited size of his own skull. He therefore approaches his task with full humility, and avoids clever tricks like the plague. - Djikstra. -- [ALC888 - HDA ATI SB] Headphones don't mute master sound https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/655351 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
