Hi Pali,
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 11:55, Pali Rohár <p...@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Friday 30 December 2022 11:43:44 Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi Pali,
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 10:06, Pali Rohár <p...@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday 30 December 2022 09:49:08 Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > Hi Pali,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 at 09:44, Pali Rohár <p...@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Friday 30 December 2022 10:41:47 Tom Rini wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 04:24:43PM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday 30 December 2022 10:21:04 Tom Rini wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In this case it would be better to build u-boot-dts.bin only
> > > > > > > > > by binman
> > > > > > > > > (for all platforms) instead of cat-ing rules in Makefile.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This would also be an easier path forward perhaps for making
> > > > > > > > sure that
> > > > > > > > the dtb is always 8 byte aligned?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, no. With DTB the problem is that it is not put to the
> > > > > > > correct
> > > > > > > offset as can be specified in linker script. So moving this code
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > Makefile to binman also moves this problem to another location.
> > > > > > > 8 byte alignment is just subset of the "correct offset" problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Right, the high level answer is binman is intended to be the tool to
> > > > > > assemble binaries, and has to deal with "make sure binary X is at
> > > > > > offset
> > > > > > Y, which also has a linker symbol for run-time references".
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, if this tool has access to ELF/linker symbols (or will have in
> > > > > future in case it does not have yet) then this problem could be solved
> > > > > here.
> > > >
> > > > It does have this access and already updates symbols in some cases.
> > > > See [1].
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://u-boot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/develop/package/binman.html#access-to-binman-entry-offsets-at-run-time-symbols
> > >
> > > I just do not see how to do it, but ok, maybe something more is needed.
> > >
> > > > I am a little nervous about a complete move to binman in this
> > > > area even for simple things like u-boot.bin, since it would set off
> > > > yet another migration.
> > >
> > > Yes, it sounds like a big change.
> > >
> > > > But perhaps most boards don't actually use u-boot.bin anyway?
> > >
> > > I think that most boards _use_ u-boot.bin. Or wrap u-boot.bin into some
> > > own container (by mkimage).
> > >
> > > > Part of me thinks we should solve this in the .lds files, since
> > > > otherwise we are blurring the line between building and packaging.
> > >
> > > Linker script files in any case would have to be adjusted / fixed to
> > > align _end symbol. Without it ELF symbol would not be correct and so
> > > obviously any solution depending on ELF symbols would not work...
> > >
> > > As I wrote recently, I proposed alternative solution without binman:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/u-boot/20221217235913.w7ihsktbplbp2j7z@pali/
> >
> > I think that would work. It is a little like the BINARY_SIZE_CHECK
> > thing we have. It is the closest thing to what we have. As you saw I
> > was happy with your original 'trunc' solution too.
> >
> > After some more thought, perhaps the binman solution makes sense, so
> > long as we do what you say above (make the _end symbol aligned). Of
> > course binman can fix that up, but it feels more like a build thing
> > than a packaging thing to me.
>
> Yes, this is build thing/issue, not packaging one.
>
> > It could be quite confusing for people
> > to see a symbol change between build-time and run-time.
>
> Yes, symbol change is confusing. So I would propose to not change any
> symbol between build and run time.
>
> > So the steps would be something like this:
> >
> > 1. Update the align before _end in each .lds to use a constant like
> > #define END_ALIGN 8
> > 2. Update binman's dtb etypes to align to 8 bytes
>
> This is not enough. Some boards/platform may have stricter alignment
> (e.g. to SD card sector size = 512 bytes). So binman should not align
> image and instead of that, it should read _exact_ address of _end
> symbol and put DTB etype to this address. Step 1. already ensures that
> _end is aligned to 8 bytes.
OK, we can do that I suppose, perhaps with a new binman property:
u_boot: u-boot-nodtb {
};
u-boot-dtb {
align-to-sym = <&u_boot> ,"_end";
};
or using expanding just:
u-boot {
align-dtb-to-sym = <&u_boot> ,"_end";
};
(which we could perhaps make the default?)
>
> > 3. Add a common binman image for u-boot.bin (used by every board)
>
> It should be u-boot-dtb.bin (not u-boot.bin). At least this is the
> current file name. (See this my patch series again, which aligns this
> naming also for powerpc/mpc85xx).
We changed this 6 years ago and I'm not keen on going back.
ad1ecd2063d fdt: Build a U-Boot binary without device tree
>
> > 4. Enable binman by default
> > 5. Drop the current 'cat' rules in Makefile, so that only u-boot and
> > u-boot-nodtb.bin are produced
>
> (cat rule is only for u-boot-dtb.bin)
>
> > 6. Optionally consider moving .img files to binman also
> >
> > Regards,
> > Simon
>
> With slightly modified/improved step 2. I agree that this improves
> current situation. And should these issues.
Regards,
Simon
[1]
https://u-boot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/develop/package/binman.html#expanded-entries
