Apology accepted. I am just so frustrated with people who voluntarily develop free software / components and then believe the entire world owes them something. I have decided to develop free software out of my own free will and are enjoying the fact that people can actually benefit from it. And that doesn't make me better than any other human being. Whether it's the person that is making my tea etc.
I have the greatest respect for F Piette and every contributing member. I have not humiliated any person's occupation or hobby for that matter. Therefore referring to me as, whoever the guy are, the way he did will definitely attract the wrong attention from me and the rest. Anyway, I believe it's solved. Thanks for being generous, friendly and helpful. "RRR: Respect yourself, Respect others, and take Responsibility". ----- Original Message ----- From: "DZ-Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ICS support mailing" <twsocket@elists.org> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] Protocol "https" not implemented EHttpException > Marius, > I see that you have taken SZ's (from Faststream Technologies) comments > to represent the views of the ICS community in general, or the purpose > of Francois Piette's website in particular. I understand your > frustration, as his comments weren't too nice to begin with, and I > apologize for his accusations. > > Let me clear up, if I may, a few things. First, ICS is freeware, > offered by Francois Piette for free, with complete source code. The > only thing Francois has asked in return is a picture postcard of your > city or country, as he collects them. The OverByte web site (which > belongs to Francois), offers many free components and programs created > by Francois and other members of the ICS community. > > Second, Francois also has some proprietary components, which are not > freeware, that he also offers on his web site. These are the MidWare > components, geared towards enterprises looking to build multi-tiered > applications. > > Third, having a real job, Francois uses his personal spare time to > maintain the ICS components and to offer support to our community, > participating in this mailing list. Just as many of us volunteers do. > > Now, about the ICS-SSL components. For many years some members have > been asking for an SSL implementation of ICS, but Francois didn't have > the time to work on it. Since everyone understood that this was a big > project, it was decided that he will dedicate his efforts to this goal > if he could be compensated. During the past few years, many developers > have participated in this project, some offering engineering assistance, > others offering bug patches, and still others just testing the > components. There is a separate mailing list dedicated to this effort. > > Notice that this is a special project, not part of the Internet > Component Suite (ICS) distribution, which is still freeware. Moreover, > as I have replied before, the intent was to eventually donate the fruits > of this project to the ICS community; but as an incentive and > compensation to those who supported the effort financially, contributors > would get access to the source code for an entire year before it is > released to the rest of the community. > > This does not mean that Francois is reneging on his offer of "freeware" > components, as announced in his web page. As many others developers, he > works on both proprietary and freeware components. This also does not > mean that you *must* pay to access ICS -- which is still actively > maintained. But it does mean that, at least for the moment, you must > join the effort of the ICS-SSL project in order to gain access to it. > And you do this by offering a donation. You could also wait a year > after the release to contributors for free access to it. > > One last thing. Understand that the money pays Francois Piette's time > and effort on the project, which a lot of us long-time ICS users think > is well deserved. I myself contributed to the project, because I > believe in its merits, even if I have no current need for the > components. But that's just me, and it wouldn't be expected from anybody. > > I hope this clears up your concerns about what ICS and OverByte stand > for. If you have further questions or issues, I suggest you either > contact Francois Piette or Wilfried Mestdagh, the current moderator of > this list, via direct e-mail. You can also contact me directly, though > I am not their representative, just a member of this community; but I'd > be happy to help in any way I can. > > dZ. > > -- > DZ-Jay, Team ICS > http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html > > > Marius van Tubbergh wrote: > >> I do not understand why people who spend hundreds of dollars for each > >> Windows copy hesitate to support a descent effort initiated by me back in > >> 2002-2003 and implemented by many volunteers who are ordinary coders just > >> like YOU! > > "Ordinary"??? Please elaborate. > > If my understanding is not failing me please let me have a word or two: > > I welcome your compliment warmly. Please keep in mind that you > > don't have a job if not for "ordinary" coders like myself. > > Bottom line is ordinary component developers like YOURSELF need ordinary > > coders like me. > > > > Please show me where does MS advertise there O/S to be free > > and as soon as you want to browse My Computer you need to make a "donation" > > (compulsory)? > > > > > > > > > >> I am not sure what your earning model is but ever thought of > >> developing shareware? If you did, you would understand > > My earning model is enough to purchase the best component suite on the > > market. > > (BTW: I have spend $1000's on components since 2002). > > I am developing freeware software as a hobby and support free / open source > > components. > > My line of work varies from property investment to software development > > etc... > > You might rent one of my properties, drop me the address and I will confirm. > > > > > > > > > >> that $50 for a source > >> code is actually no expensive than nothing. > > If not mistaken a minimum of $119 (only) will get me the source code. > > See: http://www.overbyte.be/frame_index.html > > I have no problem that you get paid for the ordinary work you do! > > But you should consider to replace "Freeware" (as you arrogantly advertise > > on your site) to "Shareware". > > What if I set up a software site and promote freeware software but as soon > > as you get to the download link > > I pop you an ORDER page to beg for a donation and if you don't donate you > > don't get the software. Or even worse, > > after you use the software you realize that it's only partly free and you > > have to make a minimum "donation" (doubting the terminology here) of $119 > > in order to use the entire application. > > Please refer to your English dictionary for the term "donation". > > Quoting WordWeb: > > "Donation" = > > "A voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) > > made to some worthwhile cause" > > "Act of giving in common with others for a common > > purpose especially to a charity" > > Yes, I realize ICS is free and SSL-ICS is not free. > > You actually have very clever strategy, will give you credit for that. > > Something at least not that ordinary about YOU. > > > > > > NB: Your approach is really not good. > > Rather stick to technical support and don't try to get funny with users. > > I have actually just received a decent reply from DZ-Jay (Thanks). > > Have a look at it, catch a few tips and by the time SSL-ICS is free for > > everyone you might have enough > > "people-skills" not to chase users away but rather attract them. > > -- > To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list > please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket > Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be > > > __________ NOD32 1.1395 (20060206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
