All good points. I’ve tried and failed a couple times to discuss all of this on social media. Ultimately all I can contribute (without getting my ass handed to me by women) is my own experience in the industry in the 1990s, where sexual harassment was even more common. I could also attempt to draw a correlation between the open drug use of the era, not as any form of defense or explanation, but just to add some detail to those times. It was the tail end (no puns or innuendo intended) of the “anything goes” era. And while obviously the behavior continued beyond my time in the studios, I suspect the days when one finds a mountain of coccaine in the break room are done, as are the days when a Hollywood producer would grab a female employee and pull her onto his lap, forcing her to give him a lap dance in full view of the entire crew.
Whomever would be in office now, the credit for changing the permissive culture goes to social media. Apologies to the gasbag Jon Ronson, but public shaming is proving very effective. On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 12:29 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > Similar story in the LAT below, but I post here because one paragraph > raises an interesting possibility. It notes that because Spacey was > credited as an executive producer on HOC, Netflix potentially faces a > higher level of legal responsibility for any harassing behavior he may have > engaged in with anyone in cast or crew. I wonder if this fact will reduce > the practice of giving stars of shows the EP credit, which I have always > assumed was mostly a vanity credit, but I think also legitiamates the star > seeking input with writers on plot lines and dialogue? Why would the > owners of a show take on the extra risk, in an age where, it is to be > hoped, we are moving towards no longer casually and silently tolerating > sexual assault and harassment in the workplace. > > If we are moving to that new age, much of the credit will have to go to > the Trumpsters. In the immediate aftermath of the HW accusations, the Right > Wing Machine flooded social media with posts asking if liberals would be > critical of HW, since he was “one of them”, or even just assuming that they > would not. This was so odd, in part because, at least in the portion of my > friend group that extends into the liberal entertainment community, while > they do not seem to have known that HW was a rapist, most always thought of > him as an asshole. I think there were a ton of folks in Hollywood who were > happy to twist the knife as soon as it seemed safe to do so. > > But in any case, because of the masssive conservative voice demanding that > HW be punished for his sexual harassment, and the just massive eagerness by > the liberal community to do so, there has been almost no pushback at this > point, unlike similar points with people like Donald Trump, Bill Cosby or > even Bill Clinton*. The next famous clergyman or corporate executive or > politician who has a critical mass of allegations (which may have dropped > to 1) will have little or no cover. > > *There are important differences between the case of Clinton and the other > men mentioned here, but for the current point he is just as relevant. > > > > http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-netflix-kevin-spacey-20171104-story.html > > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 7:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Netflix cuts all ties to Spacey. If House of Cards continues, it will be >> without him. >> >> >> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/netflix-officially-severs-ties-kevin-spacey-1054981 >> >> On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Kevin M. <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Numerous "House of Cards" employees are claiming Spacey harassed them >>> >>> >>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/new-kevin-spacey-harassment-claims-emerge-house-cards-set-1054493 >>> >>> And Spacey loses his agent and his PR people (isn't damage control at >>> least partly why somebody employs PR people?) >>> >>> >>> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/caa-polaris-pr-part-ways-kevin-spacey-1054525 >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Steve Timko <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> AP story says it is suspended >>>> >>>> >>>> 'House of Cards' filming suspended amid Spacey allegation: >>>> https://apnews.com/e39ec72d9f0845d382650d10e4dc2942 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not sent from an iPhone. >>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 11:19 AM, "Kevin M." <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Production on House of Cards final season has stopped. That as they >>>>> say is that. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:54 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Spock has weighed in. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://twitter.com/ZacharyQuinto/status/925040235066679296 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Brad Beam <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *PGage >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *>*To be fair to KS, probably more accurate to say we learned he is >>>>>>> a “hebephile” - or, more conservatively yet, had hebephillic >>>>>>> tendencies. I will leave to the reader to decide if they see a moral >>>>>>> distinction (I probably do, but a small one). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again, Seth MacFarlane is at the nexus of celebrity assault >>>>>>> allegations. 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