On 28.06.2016 18:58, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 07:58:22AM -0700, Alex Kleider wrote:
On 2016-06-27 20:48, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Also Debian. Not Ubuntu.
Can you elaborate why you specifically exclude Ubuntu?
I've been bitten by an Ubuntu install where half of the GUI apps were
unstable and simply didn't work. They either wouldn't launch at all, or
they'd launch and as soon as you tried to do something they'd crash. And
no, it wasn't using the unstable repo.
And then Ubuntu went to Unity, and a few other annoyances which
individually wouldn't matter much, but the overall feel is just ...
wrong. For instance, Mark Shuttleworth is now suggesting that Ubuntu is
going to lead the way to a brave new world of package management "snap":
http://kmkeen.com/maintainers-matter/
No thank you, I don't want to get my software directly from the vendor,
at least not exclusively.
I just get the feeling that Ubuntu is keen to disrupt working systems
just for the sake of disruption, and that the community is filled with
the Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers that Jamie Zawinski
thinks so highly of </sarcasm>.
And then I noticed that they have a *tutorial* to teach people how to
sign their Code Of Conduct, said tutorial starting with "First, create a
Launchpad account":
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forums/CoCSA_Tutorial
at which point I decided they've lost the plot.
ok, this *very* subjective Ubuntu-bashing by Steven, begs a contrary
opinion:
I'm running Ubuntu (currently 14.04, going to switch to 16.04 soon) on
my laptop in a dual-boot configuration since several years now - without
any problem worth mentioning here. The Windows was Windows 7 first, now
since half a year is Windows 10 (which by itself has lots of issues
still, but none related to dual booting).
Not everybody likes Unity, but if you want a more traditional look and
feel and you're worried about performance, you can always go for Ubuntu
Mate, which I'm using on another system and have nothing to complain about.
Regarding snap packages, the thing that concerns me about them is that
canonical, once more, tries to develop something separately from the
rest of the Linux world. The concept itself, however, is not a diabolic
invention by them (as Steven likes to put it). Look at FlatPak, which is
the cross-Linux equivalent of snap packages and sees now better support
by the latest Fedora release
(https://fedoramagazine.org/introducing-flatpak/).
Ubuntu has an extremely large (for a Linux distribution) user base and
as pointed out by others that's a clear advantage when you try to solve
problems with it.
Regarding file system access, I never bothered to set up a dedicated
shared partition just for data exchange. Ubuntu reads and writes the
NTFS-formatted regular Windows partition without any problem (since
years as I said already). Of course, the other way around does not work
so you have to remember to copy things over to the Windows partition if
you want to have them available in Windows.
As you can maybe guess from my rather moderate tone here, I am not very
much into Linux distro wars. I'm using a Fedora machine at work (on a
triple(!) boot machine (with Windows 7 and OS X)), which also works very
well and if you go for *any* major distribution you will probably be
fine. Just don't be afraid of Ubuntu because certain people have strong
feelings about it.
Best,
Wolfgang
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