Dnia 10-06-2011 o 22:00:46 Corey Richardson <kb1...@aim.com> napisał(a):

On 06/10/2011 03:12 PM, Piotr Kamiński wrote:
Could you please refrain from presenting your *religious* convictions
in this list: the notions you believe in as well as the ones that you
believe are false?

This is a *technical* list, as I understand it, solely dedicated to
the technical side of teaching the *Python* programming language and
*programming* in general. I would like to keep it this way and I
believe there are many persons or at least a number of people
constituting a minority (or, likely, a silent majority) sharing my
views in this respect.

What is more, I am profoundly convinced that there are many other
mailing lists and/or sites on the Internet, specifically dedicated to
debating various religious, worldview and philosophical issues.


You should have stopped here. Or, even better, just not written at all.
It's the internet, does someone else's world religious really matter so
much that you write a lengthy response to the whole list (which should
be focused on python, as you mentioned)?

I know it's the Internet and I also use my right to express my opinions about somebody's short (or lengthy) views that I think of as *unfounded and offensive*. You obviously cannot imagine - living in a non-totalitarian, non-(post)communist country - that someone else's "world religious" really matters so much that one writes a lengthy response (is the property of being lengthy, a crime or too much of a burden on someone's (uninterested in religious, social and political philosophy and practice?) mind?).

Please note that very short, catchy, one-sentence-long or so phrases *unsupported with* any thorough, *factual arguments* are commonly used to create groundless *impressions* in their receivers/consumers and, effectively, manipulate people into thinking and behaving in a way that a given person or a group of people want.

For your information, such a piece of information creating some false impressions instead of giving true, supported with solid arguments information is technically known as a *factoid* ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factoid ): "...The word is defined by the Compact Oxford English Dictionary as "an item of **unreliable information** that is **repeated so often** that it becomes **accepted as fact**". - the double stars were added by me. So you can see that a "good" factoid is almost never "lengthy" so that *most* people listening/watching to it get the point conveyed and do not get bored too quickly "or something"...

I am aware of the above facts, so I am loudly protesting against Steven's verbal and conceptual behaviour. You don't have to agree with me. I realise that I use "big" words but that's something to get used to, if you want to talk precisely about the discussed matters.

If you are a teenager or an adult uninterested in talking/reading about religion or politics, you can of course skip the thread or my posts. There is no obligation to read them and my intent was not to *unconditionally* close, or to demand doing so, Steven's or somebody else's mouth and not to talk about Christianity at all.

I have said what I have had to say on this topic; I will not comment on the the thread any more.

Good luck with learning and teaching Python and the basics of programming, everybody.


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That is my outlook on religious and ideological matters. I have
wanted it to be known, so I have mentioned it *once* (Steven provoked
my response). I do not intend to remind you repeatedly how I despise
the genocidal totalitarian Left (e.g. that starved to death *5 - 6
million people* in Ukraine in 1932 - 1933 (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor )) or pseudo liberal leftist
denominations. If I ever feel a need for that, I can easily find a
dedicated Internet forum and express my views in this thematic scope.
I am quite sure nobody needs my repeated ideological propaganda *in
this mailing list*; let me know if I am wrong...


A wise man once said,

"A wise man" also once said "repeatedly". That strictly means more than once, and also exactly speaking: in different threads and on different dates...


Could you please refrain from presenting your *religious* convictions
in this list: the notions you believe in as well as the ones that you
believe are false?

Could be applied to government too.
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