Den 2014-08-12 03:55, dbyent...@torios.org skrev: > On 2014-08-11 13:39, Ali Linx wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 08/11/2014 08:57 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >>> Perhaps during the testing phase, we could include programs like >>> lshw (list hardware) and inxi to aid diagnostics or generally to aid >>> diagnostics, we could then ask people before asking questions to >>> look up how info on their system. >>> >>> just a thought >> >> Such applications/programs/tools like: lshw which only require "CLI" >> is definitely fine to add without the need to ask whether to add or >> not :) >> >> But what I was trying to explain on my previous email is we should >> avoid adding too much GUI applications. Why? because the idea of >> ToriOS is to give the user 100% freedom to build his/her system the >> way he/she wants. >> >> We offer the basic. They build the rest. This is ToriOS philosophy :) >> >> >>> Paul >> >> Thanks for your thought :) >> >>> On 11/08/14 13:48, Ali Linx wrote: >>> >>> On 08/11/2014 04:11 PM, Israel wrote: >>> Hi Ali and everyone, >>> Hi, >>> >>> I guess the web browser will be the thing to handle all of those >>> file types. >>> So, Ali what web browser are we using? >>> >>> Since the very first days of ToriOS Project, I have shared my >>> vision regarding the default applications. ToriOS should have only: >>> >>> Core System+Packages >>> Terminal >>> Browser >>> Synaptic >>> File Manager >>> and very very few necessary applications >>> >>> However, after I replied the email (I was half asleep when I did >>> and from my cell), I had an idea and I'd like to share it: >>> >>> Definitely, having very few applications by default might keep some >>> users away from our system. There is something you need to >>> understand that some very well-known Linux Distributions out there >>> have NO desktop-package and if they do want to release an update, >>> users have to download the whole thing (ISO) and even though, these >>> distros are well-known and wildly used. ToriOS will be something >>> much better hopefully. >>> >>> That said, I'm thinking to have two versions: >>> 32-bit for the old machines which is this project is all about. >>> 64-bit the very same 32-bit version BUT with more apps so those >>> with newer machines can use ToriOS specially if they are new to >>> GNU/Linux. >>> >>> The browser on the 32-bit can be something very simple and less >>> powerful than Firefox. >>> >>> Firefox will be the default for 64-bit. >>> >>> So, the Q is: >>> >>> Are we okay with this? >>> >>> If yes, will that add more burden on our shoulders? >>> >>> We need to study our options and then decide ... >>> >>> I must say that I have never thought ToriOS 1.0 will be developed >>> this great way and this is what is motivating me and encouraging me >>> to give more to our users :) >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On 08/11/2014 02:12 AM, Ali/amjjawad wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Before you waste your time, everyone .. Please do understand that I >>> have mentioned many times that ToriOS will NOT be shipped with >>> default applications except the very needed ones. That said, there >>> will be nothing as email program nor video player, etc. >>> >>> I shall send the list of what to be included and NO poll is >>> required. >>> >>> Hope you see my point :) >>> >>> Thank you! >>> Sent from my smartphone. >>> >>> israeld...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> Please take a moment to fill this out. This will give us a good >>> idea what is available, and what you all think. David has been busy >>> testing some things, so this will help us narrow down some of the >>> other fields, and give us a place to discuss this >>> Thank you!! We are getting closer to a release so we need to figure >>> out what we are going to include :) >>> >>> If you have trouble viewing or submitting this form, you can fill >>> it out online: >>> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link >> >>> [1] >>> >>> ToriOS Default Apps >>> >>> * Required >>> >>> Default PDF program * >>> if there is a terminal program for this, we could test it out >>> :) >>> * evince >>> * qpdfview >>> * Firefox (if default browser) >>> * Other: >>> Default Web Browser * >>> * Qupzilla >>> * Firefox >>> * Chromium >>> * Other: >>> Games * >>> if you have a suggestion for one, post it to G+ or the mailing >>> list >>> * yes >>> * no >>> Office Programs * >>> * Abiword/Gnumeric >>> * no >>> * Other: >>> CD burner application * >>> * xfburn >>> * bash script >>> * brasero >>> * NO >>> * Other: >>> E-Mail * >>> * Web browser >>> * Sylpheed >>> * Geary >>> * Other: >>> Text Editor * >>> * xedit >>> * mousepad >>> * leafpad >>> * pico >>> * geany >>> * Other: >>> Package Manager * >>> we can't use apt-get though it is BY FAR the lightest and >>> fastest... unless someone wants to make a nice zenity dialog >>> software center :) >>> * Synaptic / gdebi >>> * Lubuntu Software Center >>> * Muon >>> * aptitude >>> * Other: >>> Audio Player * >>> these are just a few choices.... if you have a better one, >>> please >>> add it there are sooooooooooo many for GNU/Linux >>> * Audacious >>> * GmusicBrowser >>> * Guayadeque >>> * the default Video player >>> * the web browser >>> * Other: >>> Default Video Player * >>> we can't include VLC by default... sorry >>> * Parole >>> * xine >>> * mplayer >>> * web browser >>> * Other: >>> Any suggestions for other apps we should include? >>> Never submit passwords through Google Forms. >>> >>> Powered by >>> Google Forms >>> This content is neither created nor endorsed by Google. >>> Report Abuse >>> >> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/reportabuse?source=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/viewform?sid%3D6bb0362f081f35bc%26c%3D0%26w%3D1%26token%3DmQ4yw0cBAAA.bqXdS2BiDyTCScO4Mk-FkQ.UtjJq5g4PQPILgeJT_UYeg> >> >>> [2] - Terms of Service <http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS> [3] - >>> Additional Terms <http://www.google.com/google-d-s/terms.html> [4] >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >> >> -- >> Ali/amjjawad >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad [5] >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link >> >> [2] >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/reportabuse?source=https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gI4jW7cepqzLOTSDkDpIdY08kExyAxQ09IzWWKCg_4A/viewform?sid%3D6bb0362f081f35bc%26c%3D0%26w%3D1%26token%3DmQ4yw0cBAAA.bqXdS2BiDyTCScO4Mk-FkQ.UtjJq5g4PQPILgeJT_UYeg >> >> [3] http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS >> [4] http://www.google.com/google-d-s/terms.html >> [5] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad > > Hi Ali et al, > Thanks for the further refinement for your vision of ToriOS. I do have > a question. First though, I am totally happy with the concept of giving > the user a minimal, simple, fast, and small OS and then letting them > build it as they see fit. My question: Where will the users look to for > a repository of ToriOS compatible apps? Or should it even be a community > concern? > > Specifically, even for a 64 bit machine, FF is large, slow, and uses > lots of memory. I believe Qupzilla is a better fit for ToriOS( 64 or 32 > bit). Qup is small, fast, and has small memory usage than FF. > > Additionally, for a 32 bit machine why not consider something like > Links2 for a browser. It's a text( CLI ) browser with limited graphical > abilities. It entirely conforms to the ToriOS vision. > > Just my thoughts > > Best > David >
Hi everybody, Continuing this interesting discussion: 0. I think it is a good idea to deliver ToriOS as light as possible, but with easy options to build the system we want. 1. I prefer evince as pdf reader. 2. I think we should keep discussing the web browser. I think Midori is also a good alterntive (lighter than Firefox). Old lynx is a text alternative. I don't know Links2, is it better than lynx? 3. xterm is lighter than the lxterminal and gnome-terminal, and very flexible. If you call it with a couple of options from the menu, the font will be much bigger and nicer than the standard small font, for example xterm -fa default -fs 13 & xterm -fa default -fs 11 & Best regards Nio -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
